Hi, Folks!

Like other MS newsgroups the german VB.classic discussion group
  microsoft.public.de.vb
has been closed some months ago. Due to the lack of an alternate
german discussion group for VB.classic some of the participants
have migrated to english discussion groups for VB.classic.
This message mainly addresses these people as well as all other
participants in the current group which over the years from
time to time have participated in microsoft.public.de.vb.

Some months ago a procedure (RfD = Request for discussion) has
been started in
  de.admin.news.groups
by some regulars of microsoft.public.de.vb in order to achieve
that a new german discussion group for VB.classic
  (de.comp.lang.vbclasic, or de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic)
will be established in the german de.* usenet hierarchy
(1. RfD: 20th June 2010; 2. Rfd: 19th July 2010).
This procedure now has reached its final stage, the voting
(CfV = Call for votes; 1. CfV: 18th August 2010; 2. CfV:
31st August 2010).

Therefore anybody who is interested is invited now to vote for
or against the establishment of this new german VB.classic
discussion group.
Votes will be accepted until 15th September 2010.

Note: German will be the only language accepted for messages
      posted to the new group!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The following is an attempt to translate the call for votes
from german into english. Please be patient with my poor
english...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The voting ("call for vote" (CfV)) for the establishment of a
new discusssion group for Visual Basic 'Classic' (i.e.
MS Visual Basic for DOS, MS Visual Basic for Windows vers.1-6)
in the usenet hierarchy de.* has started.

Anybody who is interested in the establishment of this discussion
group, and who wants to participate in the group now or in the
future should give his vote!

In this call for vote all topics shall be listed in a clear and
short way to which anybody who takes part in the voting has to
pay attention.
If somebody who wants to vote stands in need of more information
he should read the text of the CfV as well as the extensive
discussion (for a link to it see below!). Any further questions
may be sent by e-mail to
  <einrichtung_VBclas***@habmalnefrage.de>

ATTENTION: The text of the CfV as well as the text of the
           voting-paper contained in the CfV may be published
           by the vote-taker only, and only at the assigned
           places.
           Therefore anybody who wants to vote has to get
           himself the CfV together with the voting-paper
           from one of the addresses given below!

Please note: Due to the self-administration of the de.* hierarchy
the voting procedure is a little bit complex and demands some
efforts from the voter. The people who have started the voting
can't help it. But the efforts are necessary only one time while
the group - once it has been established - will last for long.
For everybody who wants the VB.classic group it should be worth
the trouble!


How shall I give my vote?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1.
Get yourself the CfV with the voting-paper. It is to be found
in a series of messages in the discussion group
  de.admin.news.announce
within the thread
  "1. RfD: de.comp.lang.VBclassic (Neueinrichtung)"
    "2. RfD: de.comp.lang.[basic.]VBclassic (Neueinrichtung)"
      "1. CfV: de.comp.lang.[basic.]vbclassic (Einrichtung)"
        "2. CfV: de.comp.lang.[basic.]vbclassic (Einrichtung)"

You can find it by using one of the following links:

- CfV with voting-paper in the usenet:
- CfV with voting-paper in the Google groups archive:

<http://groups.google.de/group/de.admin.news.announce/msg/156b1b1e62249641?h
l=de>
  (Link in one line!)

All of it (RfD, CfV, discussion; german):

- in the usenet:
- in Google groups archive:

<http://groups.google.de/group/de.admin.news.groups/browse_thread/thread/d88
817b3ed949a26>
  (Link in one line!)

2.
Cut the voting-paper from the CfV. The voting-paper is the text
  "=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alles vor dieser Zeile bitte loeschen (...)"
and
  "=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Alles nach dieser Zeile bitte loeschen (...)".

Paste the cut text of the voting-paper to a new e-mail with the
subject
  "WAHLSCHEIN fuer de.comp.lang.[basic.]vbclassic (Einrichtung)"
(actually the subject is not important, but the given one makes
sense).

3.
At the end of the line
  "Dein Realname, falls nicht im FROM-Header: "
in your e-mail fill in your >>real<< christian and family name
(attention: a missing entry, or any entry other than this may
spoil the voting-paper).

4.
In the voting-paper in your e-mail fill in each of the fields
  "#1   [            ] (...)"
  "#2   [            ] (...)"
  "#3   [            ] (...)"
  "#4   [            ] (...)"
with one of the following character sequences:
  JA
  NEIN
  ENTHALTUNG
(JA = yes; NEIN = no; ENTHALTUNG = abstention;
attention: character sequences other than the given ones,
or empty fields may spoil the voting-paper!).
If you are uncertain about the meaning of the fields please
refer to the paragraph named "How shall I vote?" below!

5.
In the voting-paper in your e-mail fill in the field
  "#a   [            ] Datenschutzklausel (...)"
with the character sequence
  JA
(but first read the data protection clause! If you don't
fill in "JA" the voting-paper will be spoilt!)

6.
Send this e-mail
  - with a valid sender's e-mail address ('reply capable')
  - at latest until 15th September 2010
  - to the e-mail address

    dclv-1***@gvv.th-h.de


IMPORTANT:

- Your e-mail has to be sent with a >>valid<< sender's e-mail
  address since an automatically generated e-mail with a
  confirmation will be sent back!

- Check the e-mail with the confirmation on that your vote
  has been accepted the way you have given it!

- The sender's e-mail addresses of all voting-papers will be
  published later together with the sender's real names in a
  message in some of the de.admin.news.* groups (but only
  there!) in order that everyone may check that the voting
  has been carried out correctly.
  Therefore please be sure to use a sender's e-mail address
  with which it doesn't matter that other peoply may read
  and use it.

  If you don't have such an e-mail address yet you can get
  yourself one e.g. for free from a provide like Arcor,
  DirectBox, GMX, or Web.de. This means some effort but
  is worth it since such an e-mail address may be usefull
  for other purposes in the internet (e.g. with online
  orders).


How shall I vote?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Possible variations of voting are:

A) I want a VB.classic group:

   If you want a VB.classic group in any case you should
   by all means fill in >>both<< the field #1 and #2 with
   "JA" ("yes") in order to raise the chance that at least
   one of the possible choices will achieve the necessary
   amount of "JA" votes.
   If you fill in >only< one of the two fields #1 and #2
   with "JA" it may happen that the "JA" votes will be
   divided up and >none< of the possible choices will
   achieve the necessary amount of "JA" votes.

   a) Name and place of the VB.classic group don't matter to me:

      #1   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #2   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

      #3   [ENTHALTUNG]  de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #4   [ENTHALTUNG]  de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

      You could fill in the fields #3 and #4 also with "JA" or
      "NEIN". But with your abstention ("ENTHALTUNG") you are
      leaving the decision to those people who vote with "JA"
      or "NO" explicitely.

   b) I prefer de.comp.lang.vbclassic as the VB.classic group:

      #1   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #2   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

      #3   [JA        ]  de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #4   [NEIN      ]  de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

   c) I prefer de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic as the VB.classic group:

      #1   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #2   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

      #3   [NEIN      ]  de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #4   [JA        ]  de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

   d) I want de.comp.lang.vbclassic only; if this is not possible
      I don't want a VB.classic group:

      #1   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #2   [NEIN      ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

      #3   [JA        ]  de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #4   [NEIN      ]  de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

   d) I want de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic only; if this is not possible
      I don't want a VB.classic group:

      #1   [NEIN      ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #2   [JA        ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

      #3   [NEIN      ]  de.comp.lang.vbclassic
      #4   [JA        ]  de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

B) I do >>not<< want a VB.classic group.

   In this case >both< the fields #1 and #2 should be filled in
   with "NEIN"!

   #1   [NEIN      ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.vbclassic
   #2   [NEIN      ]  Einrichtung von de.comp.lang.basic.vbclassic

   You may fill in the fields #3 and #4 with "NEIN" too.
   But - despite your general rejection of a VB.classic group -
   you may use the fields #3 and #4 nevertheless to specifiy where
   the group in your opininion - if established - would be placed
   best, i.e. where you could accept it.
   Or you may fill in the fields #3 and #4 with "ENTHALTUNG"
   (abstention) because this doesn't matter to you.


How are the votes valued?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In order that a VB.classic group will be established in de.*
the following conditions have to be fulfilled:

  1. For at least one of the eligible groups (fields #1 and #2)
     at least 60 "JA" votes must have been given.
  2. The amount of "JA" votes has to be twice as high as the
     amount of "NEIN" votes given for the establishment of
     that group.
  3. If according to the amount and ratio of the votes both
     groups could be established the votes in the fields #3
     and #4 will settle which one finally will be established.


Note
~~~~
This call for votes will be posted in the discussion groups and
web forums listed below where VB.classic, or VB is on-topic,
and where people are participating who are also known as
participants in the former main german VB.classic discussion
group microsoft.public.de.vb:

   microsoft.public.de.vb
   microsoft.public.de.vb.datenbank
   microsoft.public.de.german.entwickler.dotnet.vb
   microsoft.public.de.vc
   microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion (english translation)
   microsoft.public.vb.winapi (english translation)
   comp.lang.basic.visual.misc (english translation)

   http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/de-DE/visualbasicde/threads
   http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/de-DE/vbklassikde/threads

Due to possible restrictions of the news server used this
message will not be cross-posted but will be posted to
each of the groups individually.

news:01cb4b81$4a89a470$8901a8c0@thalk8s8x...

I wish you wouldn't multi post like that, Thorsten. I've just answered
exactly the same post in the comp.lang.basic.visual.misc group telling you
that the microsoft.public.de.vb group is still very much alive and kicking
on the nttp.aioe.org server, with posts right up to today's date. For
myself, I intend to stick with this group on the nttp.aioe.org server.

Mike

Mike Williams <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> schrieb im Beitrag
<i5r962$5j***@speranza.aioe.org>...
I am very sorry for that. It seemed to be necessary since some providers of
free news servers don't allow any or more than x cross-postings (at the
moment I don't know the limitations of my provider, eternal september). And
we have encountered some problems with cross-postings before. And, finally,
I didn't expect any or a lot of answers to this message...

Answered in comp.lang.basic.visual.misc group

news:01cb4b81$4a89a470$8901a8c0@thalk8s8x...
It doesn't matter. It still alive:

news://news.aioe.org/microsoft.public.de.vb

Nobody <nob***@nobody.com> schrieb im Beitrag
<i5rbs6$9j***@speranza.aioe.org>...
See me answer to Mike's reply in comp.lang.basic.visual.misc group

news:01cb4b81$4a89a470$8901a8c0@thalk8s8x...
Welll, that kinda makes it all but useless for the majority of us, since
there are only two or three regular Germans posters here.  Are you asking
for our help, even tho it will be useless for the rest of us?

Kevin Provance has brought this to us :
Rather than useless, I'd view it as a potential model to follow, should
we decide it'd be in this community's best interest to setup one or
more new groups.  So helping them out may earn favor down the road
somewhere?

Kevin Provance <k@p.c> schrieb im Beitrag
<i5rja6$gk***@news.eternal-september.org>...
I wasn't asking for help. I just wanted to inform anyone interested in a
german VB.classic newsgroup. This may apply to german participants as well
as to participants whoes mother tongue isn't german. Over the years some of
the latter visited mpdvb from time to time, and maybe they would like to
visit a german VB.classic newsgroup in the future again. Don't
underestimate how many people are able to read and write german (in USA
about 58 million people claim to have their roots in one of the regions of
Europe where german is spoken).

news:01cb4ba6$d8e6cd90$8901a8c0@thalk8s8x...
Show quoteHide quote  In my grandfather's family, 4 siblings were born in Germany and another 9
here.  German was still spoken in the household.  My 50 years ago two year
course of high school german grammer is not so good these days.. ;-(

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