Does anybody know who I can write to at Microsoft in order to ask them to
stop one of their own MVPs, PAUL CLEMENT, from trolling this newsgroup. He
is a disgrace to himself and he is both a disgrace and a liability to
Microsoft and he is bringing the Microsoft MVP system into disrepute.

Mike

Mike Williams wrote on 8/26/2010 :
As a former MVP yourself, Mike - you should know.

Were you ever an MVP, Tom, or were you just a troll? I notice from a recent
response of yours to one of my messages that you have given up your troll
activities, which is certainly good news. It's a pity that your friend Paul
Clement, who is both an MVP and a troll, does not follow your lead. Is there
any chance you could persuade him to do so?

Mike

Mike Williams formulated on Thursday :
I was an MVP, yes.  It's been a about 4 years ago now.  I wasn't really
that active in the community again until about a year or so ago.  Too
much real life got in the way :)

Well, let's get something straight...  I did not start out trolling.  I
only participated in discussions that I did not start.  And only jumped
in when I felt that there was FUD and misinformation being posted.  I
absolutely did not, as Kevin likes to claim, make a habbit of posting
newer vb answers to vb.classic questions - especially under the guise
of posting to the wrong group....  Anyone willing to do a google search
can confirm that.  In fact, you are the one that percipitated that
claim - and that was in the comp.lang.basic.visual.misc, not here.

The only reason I started doing a bit of nose tweaking of late was
because of you and Kevin's over the top responses.  I certainly don't
care if you want to continue to use VB.CLASSIC from now until the end
of time.  Nor do I care what you think about it.  But, your responses
were so over the top as to be funny - but, the problem is that I found
myself becomming a bit of a jerk in the process (or maybe my darker
side began to surface :) ).  And, so then it became un-fun.  So, the
easist way to avoid confrontation, is to simply refuse to get involved
in certain topics of discussion.  And, that's what I'm doing.

He's not my friend.  I don't know Paul personally.

Nope.  Paul does what Paul does.

Right. Well that's just about as close as you can get to admitting that you
did /end up/ trolling.

Thank you for your frank admission.

Mike

Mike Williams wrote:

Mike,
It looks like you have some anger issues. You want to do the job of a
moderator but this is not a moderated group. You come off just as bad as
those you are up in arms off.
Stan

Mike Williams wrote:
....
Give it a rest, Mike....quit feeding/baiting the trolls yourself and
they'll gradually fade away.  To help in the self-control end, put a
filter in your newsreader to ignore threads or simply killfile those you
don't want to see....

-dpb

Well I tried that once and it did not actually work. In fact it was partly
due to my own and Kevin's insistence on taking on the rolls head on that Tom
Shelton decided to quit the practice, and why Tommy Senn also quit, and why
Cor ligthert did the same. Three down, one to go.

Mike

It happens that Mike Williams formulated :
Lol... No, it was your practices that made me start.  It was my own
conscience that made me quite.

And what do you reckon made Tommy Senn and Cor Ligthert quit? Do you think
they had a sudden attack of conscience too? And what about the troll Paul
Clement? Do you think he might have a conscience as well? I certainly hope
so, although I think it is unlikely.

Mike

Mike Williams submitted this idea :
No, idea Mike.  I don't know them or have any personal contact with
them.  So, I really don't know how their minds work.  I can only speak
for myself.

Tom,

Don't you see that Kevin and Mike have only one goal: Kill this newsgroup.

Don't help them, just let them put there messages, I let me go some days
ago.
However, what they do is just trolling to make an end of this newsgroup.

I am again challenged by those miskukels, the do it only to create that all
real VB6 question are hidden in a  a kind of mist.

Just do what Herfried always writes. Don't feed the trolls.

However, I am not far away that I start answering questions only with VB Net
code, if they accuse us from that and regulars like Jeff, Larry don't take
any action, we should in my idea do what they tell.

I've not any goal in it, beside that I become a little bit sick of the
rubbish the clique in this newsgroup is writing about us and so dropping on
Internet.

I did not write anything for some days, and now that Mike starts again, so
no action from others against those two, will mean that I start actually
doing what they wrote and constantly write.

Cor

"Tom Shelton"  wrote in message
Mike Williams submitted this idea :
No, idea Mike.  I don't know them or have any personal contact with
them.  So, I really don't know how their minds work.  I can only speak
for myself.

That is far from the truth.
(Dat is ver bezijden de waarheid.)


They just want to cleanse this newsgroup of all .Net.
(Ze willen gewoon van deze groep van alle te reinigen. Net.)

Is that so hard to understand ?
(Is dat te moeilijk te begrijpen?)


Translated w/Google.
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Show quoteHide quoteFrom what I remember you only tried to post VB6 code once, and that didn't
work, remember? Your excuse then was that you didn't use VB6, so WHY ARE YOU
HERE?


Show quoteHide quote/Henning

I'm only here active to see that persons, who don't know the correct route
to VB.Nxt, get a correct reply so that they don't direct stop with Visual
Basic, nothing more.

When I see asked here something in general, I give (seldom) an answer like
others also do.

You write that you has only seen me answer a VB6 question once (It pretends
that you read all messages here)

If you have investigated this so much; give me an actual answer how many
times you saw me answer actual a VB7 to VB10 question or persons who asked
something about VB6 give an VB.Nxt answer?

I've often told in this newsgroup, that I keep me to an also by with VB
active Microsoft employees wanted situation, to let this newsgroup the
newsgroup for VB with Com. But the clique where you make part of, destroys
this.

If I see replies that Visual Basic does not exist and that the latest
version was VB6 or that kind of messages, then I deny that. Visual Basic
language specification 10 has more then 90% from what already was in VB6.
Beside that it has new syntax to make things easier.

As analogy, the historical Prussia not exist anymore, that is now a part of
Russia, does that then mean the same for Germany.

Or is the "Clique" the movement to bring VB6 again back as a kind of major
program language. Something  Karl has tried in Microsoft forums but where
everybody was answering with a kind of head shaking smile replies from
misunderstanding. Most did not know VB6 and those who did know it, won't
never go back if possible.

Cor

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Show quoteHide quoteFrom what I remember you only tried to post VB6 code once, and that didn't
work, remember? Your excuse then was that you didn't use VB6, so WHY ARE YOU
HERE?


Show quoteHide quote/Henning

So, by your own admission you are Micro$oft troll. Why don't you just go the
whole hog and walk around your smoke filled Amsterdam with a Micro$oft
billboard around your fat neck!

Mike

ROTFLMAO

DaveO.

Not according of course from those specialist who know everything about
Visual Basic 10 like Karl, Kevin, Mike and more of those who are writing
here constantly about VB for Net.

It is about the language specification not about Com or whatever which is
not a part of Visual Basic but can be used by Visual basic. (Before you
misunderstand it, I've used VB6, and the language part is never a problem
for me, I can relate it to newer versions (The biggest trap I fall always in
is that a Sub needs no parenthesis and a Function does in VB6 or vice
verse.).

The control of subroutines and functions is really fundamental to a language
such as VB6, if you don't understand that then you are not going to
understand anything. So the only conclusion ios that your level of knowledge
is close to zero. So PLEASE stop commenting on stuff that you know little
about.

Sub TestSub(X as integer)
Call TestSub(22)    Valid (but pretty pointless)
TestSub 22            Valid

Function TestFunc(X as integer) as Long
Z = TestFunc(22)    Valid
Call TestFunc(22)    Valid
TestFunc 22            Valid

DaveO.

Oh then there is even less changed between VB6 and VB10 then I thought, I
maybe have used some old VB5 behaviour.

Although TestFunc 22 and TestSub22 is not possible anymore in later
versions.
(And I'm very glad about it, because it made for me often VB6 programs
unreadable when there were for instance more then 10 parameters given.)

Cor

The control of subroutines and functions is really fundamental to a language
such as VB6, if you don't understand that then you are not going to
understand anything. So the only conclusion ios that your level of knowledge
is close to zero. So PLEASE stop commenting on stuff that you know little
about.

Sub TestSub(X as integer)
Call TestSub(22)    Valid (but pretty pointless)
TestSub 22            Valid

Function TestFunc(X as integer) as Long
Z = TestFunc(22)    Valid
Call TestFunc(22)    Valid
TestFunc 22            Valid

DaveO.

He really is a joke, that Ligthert guy. He is so far up Micro$oft's arse
that he has lost all sense of reason. In fact judging by the photo on his
MVP profile he is still up it! He keeps posting rubbish telling people that
VB.Nxt applications run ten times faster than VB6 applications, which of
course is a load of crap. What a fat little freak.

Mike

Any photo of you Mike on Internet?

I didn't know you cared for me in that way, Cor. In fact your request
unsettles me a little, especially after what I have heard about you. Very
weird. If however you actually do prefer photos of grown men then perhaps
you would be better off going to a suitable male dating site and printing a
few of the available photos instead of wasting your time on the programming
newsgroups. Whatever you do though, and whatever photos you manage to come
up with, try not to get them wet!

Mike

Show quote Hide quote If you pay so much attention to me, by even searching for pages with my
photo on it, and writing about that almost every day, then you make me
curious for your photo.

However, I found one which could be you.

photo for newsgroup

Cor

That's the spirit, Cor. Stand up for yourself like a man (well, you can
always pretend!). Unfortunately that comedy drawing of a cartoon chicken's
arse on a website called michaelbarrier.com looks nothing like me, although
it does look a lot like your own MVP profile photo.

In fact, there's a little clue for you, Cor. MVP profile photo. If you
really are so desperate to get a look at me then I'm sure you will be able
to persuade one of your Micro$oft puppet handlers, or perhaps your MVP troll
friend on this group, to dig out my own MVP profile from the archives. It
was only a few years back. Then you can print it out and run away and do
what you want with it. Stick pins in it if you like. Try not to wet it
though in your excitement.

Mike

Show quote Hide quote If you pay so much attention to me, by even searching for pages with my
photo on it, and writing about that almost every day, then you make me
curious for your photo.

However, I found one which could be you.

photo for newsgroup

Cor

No, be fair. Most computers now are probably at least 20 times faster than
what was around when VB6 was new so If you are not comparing VB6 to .N*T on
the same PC but ones contemporaneous with each languages initial release
date then it could be true. (You'd never guess it's Friday afternoon & I
cannot be arsed to do any real work).



Dave O.

¤ Does anybody know who I can write to at Microsoft in order to ask them to
¤ stop one of their own MVPs, PAUL CLEMENT, from trolling this newsgroup. He
¤ is a disgrace to himself and he is both a disgrace and a liability to
¤ Microsoft and he is bringing the Microsoft MVP system into disrepute.
¤
¤ Mike
¤

This is so sad. You repeatedly post personal attacks against me and when I
finally respond you run crying to mommy.

Stop the hate Mr. Williams - you'll feel much better once you do. :-)

Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

It's not hatred, Clement. It is merely a desire to rid the Classic VB group
of the dotnet trolls, such as yourself and Ligthert. To be perfectly honest
I'm not at all happy with what I have said to Ligthert in this thread
recently, particularly with regards to his MVP profile photo. Personal
remarks like that are not something I am proud of, in fact if truth be known
I am quite ashamed of it. But people like Ligthert continue to troll this
group over and over again, telling deliberate lies specifically in an
attempt to annoy the people here who are quite happy to continue using VB6,
and in the end they make people respond to them as they do. If Ligthert
continues to troll the group, which annoys me, then I shall continue to
annoy him, especially since Ligthert has shown in the past that ignoring him
does not succeeed.

Mike

Honestly, if ignoring him doesn't make him go away - then screwing with him
won't either and it just makes for a poor invitation to those new to the
newsgroup - don't you think?

I am more annoyed by your constant bickering with him - especially about his
stupid picture than anything else.  I can ignore his ramblings about how
great dotnet is - since I have actually tried it and it isn't very good and
certainly isn't easy to program in.

And furthermore, anyone who believes the syntax is the say has never written
in it after using VB6 - that is the bold face truth and noone - not even Cor
can make me believe differently.  it is the furthest thing from Basic it can
possibly be.  If people are used to VB6 already, there isn't anything that
can be said to make them move to dotnet - or at least stay there after
trying it out.  Why do you think MS has to give away all of those dotnet
express versions?  Noone is buying it.

When I was in college, we learned on VB5 and I have since upgraded to VB6
and intend to stay there until the programs will no longer work on current
windows.  I won't even upgrade windows past XP because of the MS curse/virus
they call Windows Updates.  In fact, this is the only computer I own running
windows of anything - all of the others are running linux, but VB6 won't
work in Linux - and this computer is dualboot and I only use it for VB6 -
everything else I can do in Linux for free and without viruses or spyware
causing issues.  And pretty much everything anyone needs to do it there
right along in the installation.

Sorry, I got slightly off subject, but I had to make my point clear.

I will respectfully request Cor and the other trolls please leave us alone.

Steve
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Steve Smith wrote:

I second that motion!

No VB-blatantnet evangelists, trolls, etc. This is a VB6 newgroup, not a
VB-blatantnet newsgroup.

-Nando

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