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VB6 support and beyondAs I have written somewhat in previous posts, I have spent many years writing code for in-house processes. I'm no longer with my company and I'm starting to embrace software development, but now towards a general audience. I previously worked and combined many technologies C/C++, VC++, VBA, SQLServer,etc, but mostly VB6, and I will continue with it because it is *very efficient.* Now... I have been exploring the Internet a lot on VB6 subjects lately (and with posts to this newsgroup) to fill in for the VB6 stuff I never experimented with, since I never had to (like internationalization and image processing stuff for example). Well... googling around I came across this video: <http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/funkyonex/What-is-Microsofts-Visual-Basic-6-Support-Strategy/> I don't know if you have seen it, but the video is a year old, and the guy is one of the lead program managers for Visual Studio and the guy in charge of VB6. The first part of the video (the first 5 minutes) talks about support for the VB6 runtime (VB6-RTM) until 2019. I was happy to hear this, but *Question 1)* can developers really rely on this statement? I mean how many new issues have you guys seen come up with VB6-RTM after a new OS release? Will I be able to really work-around these new obstacles? What will exactly happen after 2019? The second part of the video (minute 10 and after) talks about the .net transition, which I don't really care about. Now... I might (might) consider migration out of VB6 if an only if: 1) I can program directly for the OS and not for a bulky bulky platform. 2) The new development platform and language are as efficient as VB6. *Question 2)* Does Microsoft currently have such a platform? If not, what are the chances MS releases such a platform before 2019? Sorry for the long post. -Nando Nando,
In fact you started a Net discussion. This time I reply on it because it is from my point of view very tendentious. However, what is so correct named in post from some days ago the "clique" here won't want to see is (so there is no need they read the rest); Net is just an OS extension to fulfil the often asked question too Microsoft to create more open software. Everybody is free to create its own Net addition to his OS, which is already done by Mono. For Microsoft OS systems is the Microsoft Net a standard part of that, although you can update it separated from other service packs, like is needed because of international laws also for Internet Explorer and Media player. What you call bulky is less than 0.01% capacity of a modern disk. Be aware that whatever Net program (for VB with Option Strict On) is in general use 10 times faster and have 10 times smaller assemblies than VB6. This is not when the programs are in fact only a kind of wrapper around Lib objects, then VB6 wins often, but a good Net developer don't do that anymore. However; if you are happy with VB6 why change, nobody tells you if you are programming only for yourself that you must change. Currently you have with this newsgroup a good knowledge base. Be aware that in my perception that 2019 means only the in January fixed OS systems without any update, so in fact it tells nothing. Cor Show quoteHide quote "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message news:uCukv71PLHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Hi guys! > > As I have written somewhat in previous posts, I have spent many years > writing code for in-house processes. I'm no longer with my company and I'm > starting to embrace software development, but now towards a general > audience. I previously worked and combined many technologies C/C++, VC++, > VBA, SQLServer,etc, but mostly VB6, and I will continue with it because it > is *very efficient.* > > Now... I have been exploring the Internet a lot on VB6 subjects lately > (and with posts to this newsgroup) to fill in for the VB6 stuff I never > experimented with, since I never had to (like internationalization and > image processing stuff for example). > > Well... googling around I came across this video: > > <http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/funkyonex/What-is-Microsofts-Visual-Basic-6-Support-Strategy/> > > I don't know if you have seen it, but the video is a year old, and the guy > is one of the lead program managers for Visual Studio and the guy in > charge of VB6. > > The first part of the video (the first 5 minutes) talks about support for > the VB6 runtime (VB6-RTM) until 2019. I was happy to hear this, but > *Question 1)* can developers really rely on this statement? I mean how > many new issues have you guys seen come up with VB6-RTM after a new OS > release? Will I be able to really work-around these new obstacles? What > will exactly happen after 2019? > > The second part of the video (minute 10 and after) talks about the .net > transition, which I don't really care about. > > Now... I might (might) consider migration out of VB6 if an only if: > > 1) I can program directly for the OS and not for a bulky bulky platform. > 2) The new development platform and language are as efficient as VB6. > > *Question 2)* Does Microsoft currently have such a platform? If not, what > are the chances MS releases such a platform before 2019? > > Sorry for the long post. > > -Nando > Cor wrote:
> In fact you started a Net discussion. No, this isn't a .net discussion, but one covering VB6, its support and a possible alternative (not .net as I clearly wrote). "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Its not a 'standard' part of OS, if removed the OS will continue to news:ulqXo13PLHA.1784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | Nando, | For Microsoft OS systems is the Microsoft Net a standard part of that, | although you can update it separated from other service packs, like is | needed because of international laws also for Internet Explorer and Media | player. function, Vista and 7 comes with a option of disabling .NET from the Add/Remove program. XP doesn't come with it nor it gets installed or updated by Windows update until you have at least one version of .NET installed. if you install any .NET version then only Windows update will prompt you to install. all version from 2 to 3.5 | What you call bulky is less than 0.01% capacity of a modern disk. its not about size on disk its about size over the internet and *MORE* than that the inconvenience and error messages the users see when they try to run your application; and later spend time in downloading and installing .NET. I have personally experienced this, I made a app in .NET it got popular with Non-US and Non-EU users, those users are mostly XP users with no installation of .NET. The rejection rate for my software was as high as 70% many people started complaining. so I spent 1 full week to *port/upgrade* that VB.NET application to VB6 and since then with more then 1 Million downloads, I see green. | Be aware that whatever Net program (for VB with Option Strict On) is in Who says so? .NET is slower then VB6 program using APIs. Its takes time for | general use 10 times faster and have 10 times smaller assemblies than VB6. ..NET to cold start, that is why they have a service for it, look in your services '.NET 2.0 optimization' or something like that. "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Christ! Here comes the Dutch Dick Brain with his ten times faster rubbish news:ulqXo13PLHA.1784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Be aware that whatever Net program (for VB with Option > Strict On) is in general use 10 times faster and have 10 times > smaller assemblies than VB6. again! What a clown! Mike "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag He really comes over like a bot or some weirdnews:i4j92t$6k2$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:ulqXo13PLHA.1784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > Be aware that whatever Net program (for VB with Option > > Strict On) is in general use 10 times faster and have 10 times > > smaller assemblies than VB6. > > Christ! Here comes the Dutch Dick Brain with his ten > times faster rubbish again! What a clown! "AI-experiment". The replies are often somehow detached from the real questions - oddly combined groups of words, each with a bit of "weighted relation" (as if from a DB-Lookup), but no real sentences. Was it Karl who had stated this suspicion first? Dunno anymore, where I read this in the first place. Olaf It happens that Schmidt formulated :
Show quoteHide quote > "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> schrieb... Guilty. <bg>>> "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote... >>> Be aware that whatever Net program (for VB with Option >>> Strict On) is in general use 10 times faster and have 10 times >>> smaller assemblies than VB6. >> >> Christ! Here comes the Dutch Dick Brain with his ten >> times faster rubbish again! What a clown! > > He really comes over like a bot or some weird > "AI-experiment". > > The replies are often somehow detached from > the real questions - oddly combined groups > of words, each with a bit of "weighted relation" > (as if from a DB-Lookup), but no real sentences. > > Was it Karl who had stated this suspicion first? > Dunno anymore, where I read this in the first place. "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Lie. Nobody asked about .xt you racist pig. Please do not post your news:ulqXo13PLHA.1784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : Nando, : : In fact you started a Net discussion. This time I reply on it because it is : from my point of view very tendentious. bullsh*t in this forum. It's off topic and unwanted. I have not yet watched the video but I think he means, "VB6 Runtimes are
included with Windows 7 and will be supported the lifetime of Windows 7." thats what also the VB6 MSDN support page says. It doesn't mean they are going to include the VB6 runtimes in next Windows version. Before the release of windows 7 there were already rumors the they are not going to include it in Windows 7 but later they did since Win 7 (NT6.1) is minor update over Vista (NT6) FYI-VB6 runtimes came preinstalled with Windows ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 and even with NT4 service packs. In my view, VB6 apps will continue to run as long as Windows supports 32-bit applications. Most PC today sold today are 64-bit with 64-bit OS, esp in the last 2 years and VB6 apps runs fine on it. I installed NT4 in virtual PC and tried to run a hello world vb6, it doesn't run even if I install the VB6 runtimes, then I have to apply the OLE update, then it does. So its not just about VB6 runtimes but also correct version other components like ole and in the future we are going to face a similiar problem. Show quoteHide quote "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message news:uCukv71PLHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Hi guys! | | The first part of the video (the first 5 minutes) talks about support | for the VB6 runtime (VB6-RTM) until 2019. I was happy to hear this, Abhishek wrote:
> I have not yet watched the video but I think he means, "VB6 Runtimes are Awesome! Now, let's say they come up with Windows 8. One should be able > included with Windows 7 and will be supported the lifetime of Windows 7." > thats what also the VB6 MSDN support page says. > > It doesn't mean they are going to include the VB6 runtimes in next Windows > version. Before the release of windows 7 there were already rumors the they > are not going to include it in Windows 7 but later they did since Win 7 > (NT6.1) is minor update over Vista (NT6) > > FYI-VB6 runtimes came preinstalled with Windows ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 and > even with NT4 service packs. to redistribute the run-time with my app, right? > In my view, VB6 apps will continue to run as long as Windows supports 32-bit That makes sense. Great!> applications. Most PC today sold today are 64-bit with 64-bit OS, esp in the > last 2 years and VB6 apps runs fine on it. > I installed NT4 in virtual PC and tried to run a hello world vb6, it doesn't Interesting. Where can I obtained the OLE update? This might be useful > run even if I install the VB6 runtimes, then I have to apply the OLE update, > then it does. So its not just about VB6 runtimes but also correct version > other components like ole and in the future we are going to face a similiar > problem. when testing apps on NT4 (I also have Virtual PC with many versions of windows for testing). "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message Yep, we can.news:%23ROC7W9PLHA.5372@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Abhishek wrote: | Awesome! Now, let's say they come up with Windows 8. One should be able | to redistribute the run-time with my app, right? | Interesting. Where can I obtained the OLE update? This might be useful Not needed for new OSs, just for very old Win 95, NT w/o SP. its gets | when testing apps on NT4 (I also have Virtual PC with many versions of | windows for testing). applied with SP, in case you still need it, its in VS CD \DCOM98\DCOM98.exe i was just playing with some OSs and decided to test my vb6 apps in it. Abhishek wrote:
> Nando wrote: Great!>> >>Awesome! Now, let's say they come up with Windows 8. One should be able >>to redistribute the run-time with my app, right? > > Yep, we can. >>Interesting. Where can I obtained the OLE update? This might be useful Thanks!>>when testing apps on NT4 (I also have Virtual PC with many versions of >>windows for testing). > > Not needed for new OSs, just for very old Win 95, NT w/o SP. its gets > applied with SP, in case you still need it, its in VS CD \DCOM98\DCOM98.exe > > i was just playing with some OSs and decided to test my vb6 apps in it. I remember the days when Win95 came out, exciting but then I became very disappointed with all the crashes. I moved quickly to WinNT4 and that thing was very stable (had the computer on for weeks without crashes). However, it was very inflexible with new hardware. On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:36:38 +0530, "Abhishek"
<abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote: >It doesn't mean they are going to include the VB6 runtimes in next Windows I don't see NT 6.1 being a minor update as the reason why MS included>version. Before the release of windows 7 there were already rumors the they >are not going to include it in Windows 7 but later they did since Win 7 >(NT6.1) is minor update over Vista (NT6) the VB6 runtime in Windows 7. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/ For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/ I don't do video, generally. I have a TV set.
Online I want text and pictures that I can take in at my own pace. So maybe you could write an audio-to-text program to extract the speech from such videos. ...And by all means, yes, write it in some kind of compiled code. I don't want to have to create a new disk partition just to house the runtime for your software. :) But 2019? You're trying to plan for software you write now to run and be relevant in 2019? "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 2019 is less than 9 years away, which I know in computer terms that's a long news:i4ja6q$6hp$1@news.eternal-september.org... > But 2019? You're trying to plan for software > you write now to run and be relevant in 2019? time. But I've got software that was originally created with VB in 1995 that still runs and is relevant today, some 15 years later! "Daryl Muellenberg" <dmuellenb***@comcast.net> wrote in message Ditto. Although in 1995 I was still using VB3 (I skipped 4). The projects news:uvRV437PLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : "Mayayana" <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote in message : news:i4ja6q$6hp$1@news.eternal-september.org... : : 2019 is less than 9 years away, which I know in computer terms that's a long : time. But I've got software that was originally created with VB in 1995 that : still runs and is relevant today, some 15 years later! ported to 5 and 6, no problem and 6 is where they have stayed since the late ninties. To be honest, I'm not worried about 2019 as that is so far away. All you can really do is have a backup plan NOW. Daryl Muellenberg wrote:
> Mayayana wrote: During the video/interview, the guy said that Visual Studio 6 was >> But 2019? You're trying to plan for software >> you write now to run and be relevant in 2019? > > 2019 is less than 9 years away, which I know in computer terms that's a > long time. But I've got software that was originally created with VB in > 1995 that still runs and is relevant today, some 15 years later! shipped on 1997, but that the code-base is actually much older than that. Visual Studio 6 didn't ship 1997, it shipped 1999. the guy incharge of VB6
doesn't know when it was shipped, he is more of incharge of so called migration not VB6. and about the 'old code base' comment he made then VBA is included with even Office 2007. Office 2007 VB editor says "Visual Basic 6.5" and I really laughed at his 'we miss you (vb6) guys' comment he made. Show quoteHide quote "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message news:uv8dMc9PLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Daryl Muellenberg wrote: | > Mayayana wrote: | >> But 2019? You're trying to plan for software | >> you write now to run and be relevant in 2019? | > | > 2019 is less than 9 years away, which I know in computer terms that's a | > long time. But I've got software that was originally created with VB in | > 1995 that still runs and is relevant today, some 15 years later! | | During the video/interview, the guy said that Visual Studio 6 was | shipped on 1997, but that the code-base is actually much older than that. Abhishek wrote:
> Visual Studio 6 didn't ship 1997, it shipped 1999. the guy incharge of VB6 Exactly, that was my next question to you guys, because MS still > doesn't know when it was shipped, he is more of incharge of so called > migration not VB6. and about the 'old code base' comment he made then VBA is > included with even Office 2007. Office 2007 VB editor says "Visual Basic > 6.5" embraces VBA6 (as usual) and it is part of Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint, Projects,.... I have done a lot of work using VBA, and the concept of just customizing and extending the functionality of these applications is something I have always applaud. > and I really laughed at his 'we miss you (vb6) guys' comment he made. Yeah, when he said that phrase I actually felt insulted. It is disturbing to think that they think of us so little, believing we have no brains to choose. They think we are just zombies that would have followed and eat whatever they produce. He should go to Download.com and see the list of Top 10 downloads. Out of
Top 4; 2 apps are written in VB6 with more than 100 Million downloads. MalwareBytes and YouTube Downloader. Show quoteHide quote | > and I really laughed at his 'we miss you (vb6) guys' comment he made. | | Yeah, when he said that phrase I actually felt insulted. It is | disturbing to think that they think of us so little, believing we have | no brains to choose. They think we are just zombies that would have | followed and eat whatever they produce. Because Office is MS's 2nd biggest Cash cow after Windows and 'enterprise'
licenses (and market share) mean more to them than we developers. Show quoteHide quote "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message news:eBt2ZI$PLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Exactly, that was my next question to you guys, because MS still | embraces VBA6 (as usual) and it is part of Word, Excel, Access, | PowerPoint, Projects,.... I have done a lot of work using VBA, and the | concept of just customizing and extending the functionality of these | applications is something I have always applaud. On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:51:25 +0530, "Abhishek"
<abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote: >Visual Studio 6 didn't ship 1997, it shipped 1999. the guy incharge of VB6 Actually, Visual Studio "6" shipped in June 1998 in conjunction with>doesn't know when it was shipped, he is more of incharge of so called >migration not VB6. and about the 'old code base' comment he made then VBA is >included with even Office 2007. Office 2007 VB editor says "Visual Basic >6.5" > the release of Windows 98. (Remember the fanfare. Stores opening at Midnight. <g>) If you install VS6 you will see all the folders are labeled VC98, VB98, etc. But it is easy to confuse VS, VB, and VC releases as 1997, 1998, and to some extent 1999 were very busy years. VB5/6 and VC5/6 had separate releases plus also a "Visual Studio 97", but it was marketed less as a product and more as combined product or the new front-end for MS's development tools. Those of us that were subscribers started getting these items in the latter quarter of 1996. It also gets confusing since one would be hard-pressed to draw a single non-cosmetic line between C++ '4.2' and VC++ '6'. '5' was more of a marketing indicator than anything else. Very much the same for all their products at that time. MS quickly bumped all their tools to '6' for the release of "Visual Studio 6", which had been pretty much been considered "Visual Studio 98" up untill Marketing slapped "Visual Studio 6" on the boxes. <g> VC6 was released without an upgraded MFC and assorted other tools, so a series of service packs soon followed. FoxPro also experienced various versioning changes - and then there was the ill-faithed J++... all with the "Visual Studio 97 IDE". That's probably where he got the idea that VS6 shipped in 1997. By 1999 (just previous to Windows 2000) Visual Studio "6" had come into its glory. The service packs had brought all the tools into one integrated package. (Though VB still had a few holes which strangely seemed delayed and not appearing as promised. <g>) That is probably were you got the idea VS shipped in 1999. [Microsoft apparently has a thing for '6' - did you notice that the "MDAC" suite became "DAC 6"?] -ralph "ralph" <nt_consultin***@yahoo.net> wrote in message Oh yeah, I remember that. Driving all the way to a section of Baltimore one news:doir66hcdktu2nn1e91ba9j44vdoojpnut@4ax.com... : : Actually, Visual Studio "6" shipped in June 1998 in conjunction with : the release of Windows 98. (Remember the fanfare. Stores opening at : Midnight. <g>) If you install VS6 you will see all the folders are : labeled VC98, VB98, etc. wouldn't want to leave there car at past 8 PM. Why MSFT picked that spot, I'll never know. Cheap rental on the presentation room, I guess (Martin's West for you Baltimoreans). It was the very first event I was invited under under my companies name, so I was kinda of excited about it. Turned out to be boring as hell and I left early. The only free thing I got was a few Win98 launch TShirts. I still have them. I use them as laundry day apparel. <g> <snip> : By 1999 (just previous to Windows 2000) Visual Studio "6" had come You were right about the glory part. The golden era for MSFT developers : into its glory. The service packs had brought all the tools into one : integrated package. (Though VB still had a few holes which strangely : seemed delayed and not appearing as promised. <g>) That is probably : were you got the idea VS shipped in 1999. : before the briar patch that became the marketing nightmare whose name we no longer mention. When MSFT wanted to be Sun/Oracle Java, but better (and made it worse). Ten years later, it's still a bloated mess that I don't hear good things about the way I did when VS 6 was in it's prime. You look at dot next devs today, and all I see are mindless automatons who don't really sheer their product as much as they do advertise it. Why? Because MSFT knows it's no v6 of their dev suite. For years they tried to give away the languages and could not even do that. Now they coerce sheeple to evangelise for them for various little perks. I miss those golden days when most devs got along, different languages, one uint. Now it's a bloody wasteland where it's every manf or himself. Hardly the MSFT I remember. Now they have Google and Facebook to worry about, and as usual are years behind the times trying to catch up with the failure that is dot next. One could never build a FB or a Twitter with dot next. MSFT should have stuck with what they knew and made improvements from there, instead of attempting to redeux Java. dot next may end up killing MSFT anyway. Thanks Ballmer, Bill and anyone else who killed COM. May Win8 save you. "Daryl Muellenberg" <dmuellenb***@comcast.net> wrote: The software I'm running to read and respond to this post is News Xpress, >2019 is less than 9 years away, which I know in computer terms that's a long >time. But I've got software that was originally created with VB in 1995 that >still runs and is relevant today, some 15 years later! written for the Windows 3.1 platform back in, what, 1992 or something? Works just fine on XT. And it's extremely fast. So, this is an 18-year old program. It's impressive that Windows can do this. I'm also thinking back about the the Y2K issue (the date rollover from 1999 to 2000) of 10 years ago. In those days there were legacy systems going back to the 1970s. I suspect there still are. So, I don't think it's unreasonable to play for a future that is 9 years away. Mayayana wrote:
> I don't do video, generally. I have a TV set. There is no need to watch the video - Oh boy! I never thought I was > Online I want text and pictures that I can > take in at my own pace. So maybe you could > write an audio-to-text program to extract the > speech from such videos. ...And by all means, > yes, write it in some kind of compiled code. > I don't want to have to create a new disk partition > just to house the runtime for your software. :) going to have to reply about this kind of weirdness - Well, I found the video and watched it along with 3 more video I found about internationalization (they were very interesting). In my case I don't question the format of information I don't know, although I have my preferences like everyone (for example: I still have problems with eBooks and prefer printed ones). For me, watching the video gave me a better sense of how MS just don't care about developers and that they will just keep pushing developers to the "new platforms" (just like cattle) to support its Web-services strategy. Even more to understand how they are so pushy and insistingly evangelizing about it, either themselves or through others (something I have actually seen in this very VB6 forum). > But 2019? You're trying to plan for software This sounds so wrong, you see, that's why I bothered to write an > you write now to run and be relevant in 2019? introduction to my original post. The answer is "no." 2019 was the date the guy mentioned during the interview. Since I'm not (won't) adopt the ..net no-sense, it is fair for me to at least analyze and know what I'm doing. I don't know how honest their "promise for support" really is or has been so far. I tend to analyze stuff the right way, that is knowing the past and analyzing forward until the present and future. So I asked VB6 developers to explain me this based on their working experience with the latest OSs (2000, XP, Vista,..), since I have not been really creating consumer software. It is a fair assessment, and I wish I would have done it before adopting various MS technologies (although MS was completely different back then). Windows is an exciting platform to develop programs and reach a massive audience, but it seems that developing directly for the OS is no longer possible (also that is something I asked VB6 developers in my original post). "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message Well, according to this video they do ;-)news:%23ydH%23G8PLHA.5372@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > For me, watching the video gave me a better sense > of how MS just don't care about developers . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE Mike "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message I don't speak hungarian, but apparently this guy doesn't think Ballmer news:i4jq43$1fn$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message > news:%23ydH%23G8PLHA.5372@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > >> For me, watching the video gave me a better sense >> of how MS just don't care about developers . . . > > Well, according to this video they do ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE > > Mike cares about something.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUZNw7h96WU&feature=related Show quoteHide quote > > Mike Williams wrote:
> Nando wrote: OMG! This guy [Ballmer] terrifies me every single time. This is scary. > >> For me, watching the video gave me a better sense >> of how MS just don't care about developers . . . > > Well, according to this video they do ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE Can somebody buy enough stocks from MS and get him replaced? The company is going nowhere. Isn't that obvious? "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message Any bugs won't be fixed.news:uCukv71PLHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > What will exactly happen after 2019? > The second part of the video (minute 10 and after) talks about the .net No, except VC++ unmanaged projects. This doesn't rely on the .Nxt runtime, > transition, which I don't really care about. > > Now... I might (might) consider migration out of VB6 if an only if: > > 1) I can program directly for the OS and not for a bulky bulky platform. > 2) The new development platform and language are as efficient as VB6. > > *Question 2)* Does Microsoft currently have such a platform? but the minimum OS to run your app is Windows 2000. It's the only language that is part of Visual Studio that does that, but MS seems to be making the most effort on .Nxt languages. > If not, what are the chances MS releases such a platform before 2019? Almost non-existent, but things could change if MS thinks it will make them more sales. Nobody wrote:
> Nando wrote: But there shouldn't be any major bugs right? I mean, VB6 is not a beta >> What will exactly happen after 2019? > > Any bugs won't be fixed. or anything like that. Or do you mean that new bugs might emerge after every new OS release? I was kind of concern about MS purposefully removing pieces of code in Windows that has comments reading like "warning: removing this line will break support VB6 applications" or something like that. Does anybody think they will go to such extremes? Show quoteHide quote >> The second part of the video (minute 10 and after) talks about the .net I see. Although, it is my impression that MS has managed to move most >> transition, which I don't really care about. >> >> Now... I might (might) consider migration out of VB6 if an only if: >> >> 1) I can program directly for the OS and not for a bulky bulky platform. >> 2) The new development platform and language are as efficient as VB6. >> >> *Question 2)* Does Microsoft currently have such a platform? > > No, except VC++ unmanaged projects. This doesn't rely on the .Nxt runtime, > but the minimum OS to run your app is Windows 2000. It's the only language > that is part of Visual Studio that does that, but MS seems to be making the > most effort on .Nxt languages. developers out of the VC++ platform to .net, but not out of VB6. >> If not, what are the chances MS releases such a platform before 2019? I guess then I'm hopeless. I wish Linux was more adopted among > > Almost non-existent, but things could change if MS thinks it will make them > more sales. consumers. I wish some billionaire die and give his/her fortune to the Linux project then :) (hmmm... thinking more about it, it doesn't sound too bad) "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message Look, merely mentioning the ".N" word gives the evangelists the in they look news:Oh8egO9PLHA.5372@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : I see. Although, it is my impression that MS has managed to move most : developers out of the VC++ platform to .net, but not out of VB6. for to start preaching, or to demand an explaination from folks like me about why I am not breaking balls at the mere mention of the word from others. So please, in the future, try not to refer to the product by name. Say "other platforms" or something vague. I know it sucks, but until the evangelists lean that this NG is not their place, it's a necessary evil. Kevin Provance wrote:
> Look, merely mentioning the ".N" word gives the evangelists the in they look Oh, I see. I'll pay attention to that from now on. Although, those > for to start preaching, or to demand an explaination from folks like me > about why I am not breaking balls at the mere mention of the word from > others. > > So please, in the future, try not to refer to the product by name. Say > "other platforms" or something vague. I know it sucks, but until the > evangelists lean that this NG is not their place, it's a necessary evil. people shouldn't be here in the first place (are they being payed by MS or something? Or are they just predators of sanity?) "Kevin Provance" <k@p.c> wrote in message That reminds me of the conventions here in the UK where, as you probably news:i4k215$4dd$1@news.eternal-september.org... > So please, in the future, try not to refer to the product > by name. Say "other platforms" or something vague. > I know it sucks, but until the evangelists lean that this > NG is not their place, it's a necessary evil. know, we have a "House of Commons" which is composed of all the selfish and greedy bastards who have been elected by the people in a general election, and a separate "House of Lords" which consists of all the inbred idiotic prats who have not been elected by anyone and who have qualified for their position simply by being born to another existing inbred idiotic prat whose ancestor was elevated to that position centuries ago by the inbred idiotic King or Queen (so that they and all their ancestors and all their descendents are also Lords and idiotic prats!). Also, these days, some others can be elevated to that position for their lifetime only by some of the selfish and greedy bastards in the House of Commons, with the main qualification being the fact that they have donated a lot of money to the currently ruling political party (although some other people, sportsmen and television personalities and others, are sometimes elevated to that position because of their popularity with Joe Public in an attempt to disguise what is really going on). The House of Commons essentially came into the existence that it has now due to a rebellion of the people against what was at that time the supreme power of the monarch (the King or Queen) and these days the House of Commons is looked on as representative of the people whereas the House of Lords (which hopefully will soon be abandoned) is looked upon as the representatives of the bunch of inbred idiotic prats that call themselves the Royal Family. So, basically the House of Commons is seen as the elected body that represents the people (except of course in reality the greedy bastards represent only themselves) and the House of Lords is seen as representing the inbred idiotic prats who are members of the so called Royal Family (which hopefully will also soon be consigned to the scrap heap). Anyway, to this day it is usual for members of the House of Commons, for purely historic reasons, to never refer by name to the House of Lords, and when in speeches and when conducting general parliamentary business if they ever need to refer to the House of Lords they call it "that other place". Mike "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message <snip>news:i4k8pi$mpu$1@speranza.aioe.org... : Interesting. I was not aware of this "formaility". But considering the : Anyway, to this day it is usual for members of the House of Commons, for : purely historic reasons, to never refer by name to the House of Lords, and : when in speeches and when conducting general parliamentary business if they : ever need to refer to the House of Lords they call it "that other place". pomp and circumstance of the so called royal family, I am not at all surprised. <g> - K -- The *real* Tom Shelton: I dont' care what you say or think. I will post any response anywhere I see fit. So, FOAD. On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:47:45 +0100, "Mike Williams"
<M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote: >a separate "House of Lords" which consists of all the inbred idiotic In my opinion being one of the nobility simply means that the first of>prats who have not been elected by anyone and who have qualified for their >position simply by being born to another existing inbred idiotic prat whose >ancestor was elevated to that position centuries ago by the inbred idiotic >King or Queen (so that they and all their ancestors and all their >descendents are also Lords and idiotic prats!). your ancestors in the nobility happened to be the most ruthless and blood thirsty individual around. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/ For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
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"Tony Toews" <tto***@telusplanet.net> wrote in message Yep. That's pretty much what I think as well. I often think it whilst I am news:6j4676hmr480tvr3qs4ueisnsc0k4181t6@4ax.com... > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:47:45 +0100, "Mike Williams" > <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote: > >>a separate "House of Lords" which consists of all the inbred >> idiotic prats who have not been elected by anyone and who have >> qualified for their position simply by being born to another existing >> inbred idiotic prat whose ancestor was elevated to that position >> centuries ago by the inbred idiotic King or Queen (so that they >> and all their ancestors and all their descendents are also Lords >> and idiotic prats!). > > In my opinion being one of the nobility simply means that the first > of your ancestors in the nobility happened to be the most ruthless > and blood thirsty individual around. writing Visual Basic code (just to keep this ever so slightly on topic!). In those days it was all too easy for the local thugs and gangsters to terrorise the population and steal most of their property and take all the land. Our so called royal family (and the so called royal families of all countries who still have them) are the descendents of thieves and thugs and gangsters and it is about time we got rid of them all and took away their ill gotten gains. Mike Nobody wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Nando wrote: I found this site which brings a petition for the development of >> <snipped> >> >> 1) I can program directly for the OS and not for a bulky bulky platform. >> 2) The new development platform and language are as efficient as VB6. >> >> *Question 2)* Does Microsoft currently have such a platform? > > No, except VC++ unmanaged projects. This doesn't rely on the .Nxt runtime, > but the minimum OS to run your app is Windows 2000. It's the only language > that is part of Visual Studio that does that, but MS seems to be making the > most effort on .Nxt languages. > >> If not, what are the chances MS releases such a platform before 2019? > > Almost non-existent, but things could change if MS thinks it will make them > more sales. unmanaged VB6 and VBA6, and proposes MS to include an updated version called "VB.COM" Petitions can be signed at the end of the page. <http://classicvb.org/petition/> So far "14444 signatories including 265 Microsoft MVPs since March 8th, 2005." Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong.
Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now more seriously than a year back, and have decided NOT to move to .next. My options will be RealBasic Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE of RealBasic. i have posted a comparision of VB6 Alternative on my blog here http://vb6zone.blogspot.com/2010/07/vb6-alternatives.html "Abhishek" <abhishek0***@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet Heaven heard me, there is at least one more than me ;)news:i4kfk0$v4e$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong. > Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now more seriously than > a > year back, and have decided NOT to move to .next. > > My options will be RealBasic Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE > of RealBasic. > /Henning> i have posted a comparision of VB6 Alternative on my blog here > http://vb6zone.blogspot.com/2010/07/vb6-alternatives.html > > Henning wrote:
> Abhishek wrote: "That's why our [PowerBASIC's] entire Win32 compiler, including all >> Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong. >> Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now more seriously than >> a >> year back, and have decided NOT to move to .next. >> >> My options will be RealBasic Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE >> of RealBasic. library code to be linked, is smaller than 265K" (powerbasic.com/aboutpb.asp) WOW!!! Never heard of these platforms. I'll keep reading the other homepages... Show quoteHide quote > Heaven heard me, there is at least one more than me ;) > >> >> i have posted a comparision of VB6 Alternative on my blog here >> http://vb6zone.blogspot.com/2010/07/vb6-alternatives.html >> >> > > /Henning > > Henning wrote:
> Abhishek wrote: Also I don't know if it would be possible with these platforms, but I >> Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong. >> Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now more seriously than >> a >> year back, and have decided NOT to move to .next. >> >> My options will be RealBasic Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE >> of RealBasic. > > Heaven heard me, there is at least one more than me ;) don't feel like supporting MS exclusively anymore (they don't deserve that), so why not adopting a platform that would allow for both (Windows and Linux) and with one source code if possible ;) I do recall reading somewhere of a project called "wine" (how can I forget that delicious name!) which tried to recreate the entire Win32 API in Linux. On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:42:21 -0400, Nando
<hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote: >I do recall reading somewhere of a project called "wine" (how can I Unsurprisingly the most Windows apps being supported are games. Also>forget that delicious name!) which tried to recreate the entire Win32 >API in Linux. unsurprising is the MS Office is very hard to get working under Wine. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/ For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/ Tony Toews wrote:
> Nando wrote: Maybe that is the reason why MS like to use so many undocumented > >> I do recall reading somewhere of a project called "wine" (how can I >> forget that delicious name!) which tried to recreate the entire Win32 >> API in Linux. > > Unsurprisingly the most Windows apps being supported are games. Also > unsurprising is the MS Office is very hard to get working under Wine. functions in their products. Why would you use MS Office in Linux anyway? Openoffice is soooo much
better even in Windows.... Steve Show quoteHide quote "Tony Toews" <tto***@telusplanet.net> wrote in message news:fn4676ln054bps7k3prqg4a9pnv8apgjmm@4ax.com... > On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:42:21 -0400, Nando > <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote: > >>I do recall reading somewhere of a project called "wine" (how can I >>forget that delicious name!) which tried to recreate the entire Win32 >>API in Linux. > > Unsurprisingly the most Windows apps being supported are games. Also > unsurprising is the MS Office is very hard to get working under Wine. > > Tony > -- > Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP > Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm > Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/ > For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files > updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/ "Steve Smith" <ab***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message I agree. My wife uses Micro$oft Publisher 2007 on her new Windows 7 machine news:i4vf9l$bkm$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Why would you use MS Office in Linux anyway? > Openoffice is soooo much better even in Windows.... and it has numerous bugs, some of which are new bugs which are really, really annoying and which were not present when running the same program under Windows Vista. What a load of crap! Micro$oft are a bunch of tossers! It's all deliberate, of course. A ploy to make you rush out and buy the new Office 2010 stuff, which will in any case almost certainly turn out to be full of bugs itself. Mike Ain't that the truth! Micosoft hasn't put out anything useful since VB6 and
probably won't. Each version of Windows is a new "virus" looking for computers to infect and then you have the endless virus updates they call "service packs". I'm still trying to figure out who they actually service with them! It surely is not their customers. Linux rules! Unfortunately, VB6 doesn't run in Linux - or at least not that I am aware of or figured out yet. Of course, the developer's customers generally use Windows, so things have to be developed that will run in Windows anyway. Steve Show quoteHide quote "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message news:i500gi$7mu$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Steve Smith" <ab***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:i4vf9l$bkm$1@speranza.aioe.org... > >> Why would you use MS Office in Linux anyway? >> Openoffice is soooo much better even in Windows.... > > I agree. My wife uses Micro$oft Publisher 2007 on her new Windows 7 > machine and it has numerous bugs, some of which are new bugs which are > really, really annoying and which were not present when running the same > program under Windows Vista. What a load of crap! Micro$oft are a bunch of > tossers! It's all deliberate, of course. A ploy to make you rush out and > buy the new Office 2010 stuff, which will in any case almost certainly > turn out to be full of bugs itself. > > Mike > > > Abhishek wrote:
> Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong. I have never heard of "RealBasic" Or "PowerBasic." (What have I been > Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now more seriously than a > year back, and have decided NOT to move to .next. > > My options will be RealBasic Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE > of RealBasic. missing?) Well, I'll check the link(s), but if there is any extra information I should know about them, could you please extend on that? Thanks! Show quoteHide quote > i have posted a comparision of VB6 Alternative on my blog here > http://vb6zone.blogspot.com/2010/07/vb6-alternatives.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects_by_platform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:BASIC Show quote Hide quote "Nando" <hight***@att.net.no.to.sp.am> wrote in message
news:OzrAFoAQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | | I have never heard of "RealBasic" Or "PowerBasic." (What have I been | missing?) Well, I'll check the link(s), but if there is any extra | information I should know about them, could you please extend on that? | Thanks! "Abhishek" <abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote in message If VB6 ever does go completely belly up (and if I decide to stick both with news:i4kfk0$v4e$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong. > Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now > more seriously than a year back, and have decided > NOT to move to .next. My options will be RealBasic > Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE > of RealBasic. Basic and with Windoze, which is by no means certain) then I would probably go for PowerBasic myself, although I'm not that keen on having a separate compiler and GUI. There do seem to be some really nice ideas in it, some of which are so simple in concept and yet so useful that I wonder VB never did any of them, such as the facility for having four programmer specifiable floats and two integers in each sub or function held in CPU registers. From a quick look at the specs, the graphics don't seem to have some of the extra goodies I would have liked, but maybe they actually are available but just not mentioned in the specs on their web page. The price is a bit much for a hobbyist ($199 for the compiler and a further $99 for the GUI) but I suppose I spend that sort of money on wine in a few months, whereas hopefully PowerBasic would last me for years :-) Mike PB v8 Complier is $49, Current version v9 is $199
Show quoteHide quote "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message news:i4lfl9$6at$1@speranza.aioe.org... | not mentioned in the specs on their web page. The price is a bit much for a | hobbyist ($199 for the compiler and a further $99 for the GUI) but I suppose | I spend that sort of money on wine in a few months, whereas hopefully | PowerBasic would last me for years :-) | | Mike | | | I thought that this newsgroup was for VB6, not for powerbasic, patnerbasic
or whateverbasic. Powerbasic does as far as I can follow this link on Wikepedia not even follow the language specification from vb6, which is in VB10 included for at least 90%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerbasic By the way, Microsoft gives software tools as freeware while also the programs created with it are completely free to deploy. Cor Show quoteHide quote "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message news:i4lfl9$6at$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Abhishek" <abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:i4kfk0$v4e$1@speranza.aioe.org... > >> Sticking to the topic, about VB6 and Beyong. >> Personally I am trying/testing alternative to VB6 now >> more seriously than a year back, and have decided >> NOT to move to .next. My options will be RealBasic >> Or PowerBasic, but i dont really like the IDE >> of RealBasic. > > If VB6 ever does go completely belly up (and if I decide to stick both > with Basic and with Windoze, which is by no means certain) then I would > probably go for PowerBasic myself, although I'm not that keen on having a > separate compiler and GUI. There do seem to be some really nice ideas in > it, some of which are so simple in concept and yet so useful that I wonder > VB never did any of them, such as the facility for having four programmer > specifiable floats and two integers in each sub or function held in CPU > registers. From a quick look at the specs, the graphics don't seem to have > some of the extra goodies I would have liked, but maybe they actually are > available but just not mentioned in the specs on their web page. The price > is a bit much for a hobbyist ($199 for the compiler and a further $99 for > the GUI) but I suppose I spend that sort of money on wine in a few months, > whereas hopefully PowerBasic would last me for years :-) > > Mike > > > > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Pot, meet kettle. Racist pig.news:eoQoyqHQLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... :I thought that this newsgroup was for VB6, not for powerbasic, patnerbasic : or whateverbasic. : Is your name Cor or short form of MSCOREE.DLL ? lol
"Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Go away.news:eoQoyqHQLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |I thought that this newsgroup was for VB6, not for powerbasic, patnerbasic | or whateverbasic. | By the way, Microsoft gives software tools as freeware while also the Its part of promoting their platform, they also gave away VB6 Control | programs created with it are completely free to deploy. Creation Edition when ActiveX was new. oh, fan boy you forgot something on that page
*PowerBASIC is a native-code BASIC compiler whose reported merits are its simplicity of use and its speed compared to other languages. *PowerBASIC programs are self-contained and do not require runtime files to execute Show quoteHide quote "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message news:eoQoyqHQLHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |I thought that this newsgroup was for VB6, not for powerbasic, patnerbasic "Abhishek" <abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote in message No for sure not, Basic is an old scholar program language used as base by news:i4mfp4$3oc$1@speranza.aioe.org... > oh, fan boy you forgot something on that page > > *PowerBASIC is a native-code BASIC compiler whose reported merits are its > simplicity of use and its speed compared to other languages. > *PowerBASIC programs are self-contained and do not require runtime files > to > execute > Alan and Gates to create Basic A. But that is far away from the language specification 6 from Visual Basic. That one contains also elements which are inherited from Pascal and other languages. "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Well I don't know whether you are challenging the quoted extract or are news:ehfpP4PQLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> "Abhishek" <abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:i4mfp4$3oc$1@speranza.aioe.org... >> oh, fan boy you forgot something on that page >> *PowerBASIC is a native-code BASIC compiler whose >> reported merits are its simplicity of use and its speed >> compared to other languages. *PowerBASIC programs >> are self-contained and do not require runtime files to execute > > No for sure not agreeing with it because your Pidgin English makes it very difficult to follow what you say, so I'll let that one go for the moment . . . > Basic is an old scholar program language used as Alan and Gates certainly did look around for an existing product or some > base by Alan and Gates to create Basic A. existing code that had not been patented and take it for their own and develop it further, a business practice Micro$oft continue to this day, except of course these days they don't bother so much about whether it is already patented because their billion dollar team of lawyers and the palms they have already greased will usually prevent the small guys from challenging them, but WTF has your statement got to do with the quoted extract to which you are responding! There is something seriously wrong inside your head, Cor. You respond to a statement someone has made and your response has nothing whatsoever to do with that statement, but is in fact a response to some completely different statement that you seem to have made up inside your own befuddled brain. It's a bit like watching that old comedy sketch where one person asks a stream of questions and the person answering them in fact answers the previous question instead of the current one. It can be quite hilarious, although not as funny as you make it of course because your own version has the added comedy advantage of the answers not only being answers to the wrong question but also being in Pidgin English. Other people have mentioned this about you, so it is not only myself that thinks it. You really do need to go and get your brain rewired, Cor. Mike Mike,
Don't show so often that you are proud that you have learned English in Kindergarten. I forever get the idea that it was the last education you got. Cor Show quoteHide quote "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message news:i4o5o5$kmq$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:ehfpP4PQLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> "Abhishek" <abhishek0***@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:i4mfp4$3oc$1@speranza.aioe.org... >>> oh, fan boy you forgot something on that page >>> *PowerBASIC is a native-code BASIC compiler whose >>> reported merits are its simplicity of use and its speed >>> compared to other languages. *PowerBASIC programs >>> are self-contained and do not require runtime files to execute >> >> No for sure not > > Well I don't know whether you are challenging the quoted extract or are > agreeing with it because your Pidgin English makes it very difficult to > follow what you say, so I'll let that one go for the moment . . . > >> Basic is an old scholar program language used as >> base by Alan and Gates to create Basic A. > > Alan and Gates certainly did look around for an existing product or some > existing code that had not been patented and take it for their own and > develop it further, a business practice Micro$oft continue to this day, > except of course these days they don't bother so much about whether it is > already patented because their billion dollar team of lawyers and the > palms they have already greased will usually prevent the small guys from > challenging them, but WTF has your statement got to do with the quoted > extract to which you are responding! > > There is something seriously wrong inside your head, Cor. You respond to a > statement someone has made and your response has nothing whatsoever to do > with that statement, but is in fact a response to some completely > different statement that you seem to have made up inside your own > befuddled brain. > > It's a bit like watching that old comedy sketch where one person asks a > stream of questions and the person answering them in fact answers the > previous question instead of the current one. It can be quite hilarious, > although not as funny as you make it of course because your own version > has the added comedy advantage of the answers not only being answers to > the wrong question but also being in Pidgin English. Other people have > mentioned this about you, so it is not only myself that thinks it. You > really do need to go and get your brain rewired, Cor. > > Mike > > > > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message That's the spirit, Cor. Stand up for yourself like a man. Keep up the news:u$IoM9TQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Mike, Don't show so often that you are proud that you > have learned English in Kindergarten. I forever get the > idea that it was the last education you got. pretence, and keep up the good work. You are turning into a really entertaining troll now, rather than the dull and unimaginative troll you started out as. This is gonna' be fun :-) By the way, Cor, forever is a long time. You cannot forever get an idea about my own education because it would mean that you are going to be alive forever, which is unlikely to be the case, and it would also mean that you would be forever getting the same idea, time after time. It doesn't really make a lot of sense, Cor. But then most of your posts do not make much sense, although they are very entertaining nonetheless. Keep it up Cor. This place would be very much poorer without entertaining trolls such as yourself. Mike You want to show you good education?
> So give than a solution instead of only telling what is wrong.> By the way, Cor, forever is a long time. You cannot forever get an idea > about my own education because it would mean that you are going to be > alive forever, which is unlikely to be the case, and it would also mean > that you would be forever getting the same idea, time after time. Dutch and English have not such different semantics, although because of that language became written, the words have changed. Before the battle of Hastings even the words were more likely to each other. Our word "Altijd" can be translated for Always, while I thought "(voor) eeuwig" to forever. "Eeuwig" is is more persistently then "Altijd". So I wanted to express "behaviour without any chance on a change", do you have a better word; I mean better not just synonyms, those I can get from a dictionary. You know, I did not learn English on a Kindergarten. I mean of course a word not only used in your borough, but all over the world where English is spoken. Thanks, Cor
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"Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Careful Mike, once Cory starts talking countries, his true racist side news:%233KXUegQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : : So give than a solution instead of only telling what is wrong. : : Dutch and English have not such different semantics, although because of : that language became written, the words have changed. Before the battle of : Hastings even the words were more likely to each other. : : Our word "Altijd" can be translated for Always, while I thought "(voor) : eeuwig" to forever. "Eeuwig" is is more persistently then "Altijd". : : So I wanted to express "behaviour without any chance on a change", do you : have a better word; I mean better not just synonyms, those I can get from a : dictionary. : : You know, I did not learn English on a Kindergarten. : : I mean of course a word not only used in your borough, but all over the : world where English is spoken. : starts showing...after all the Dutch are so above everyone else, especially us lowly war mongering Americans. I'm not sure where the British fall in his deluded schedule of hate. But as I am part British, I'd be interested to know. "Kevin Provance" <k@p.c> wrote in message I know, Kevin. I do know that Cor is a racist pig. I've seen some of his news:i4rkou$egp$1@news.eternal-september.org.. > Careful Mike, once Cory starts talking countries, his true > racist side starts showing...after all the Dutch are so above > everyone else, especially us lowly war mongering Americans. postings which make that very clear. In fact The Netherlands, which is Cor's homeland, initially pretended to stay neutral when World War II broke out in 1939, in the hope of protecting themselves from the Nazi attrocities whilst surrendering their so called allies to them (the Dutch are a bunch of gutless bastards!), but this failed to happen when Nazi Germany invaded the Netherlands in May 1940 and when on May 15, 1940, just /one day/ after the Bombing of Rotterdam, the Dutch forces capitulated and went completely "belly up" and surrendered. They really are a bunch of gutless pussies, Kevin, although I suspect you know that already, as does most of the civilised world. The entire world would today be ruled by The Nazis if Cor and his compatriots had their way! He really is a fat faced little piglet, as you can see from his Micro$oft MVP profile here . . . https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?name=cor+ligthert Lately he seems to have changed his profile image (and who would blame him!) so that he does not look quite as much like a child molester and he has instead selected an image of one of the children he . . . erm . . . interfaced with. But don't let that fool you. That's just one of his boys. The real Cor Ligthert is at the link I posted above. What a gutless little fat bastard. Mike If you write about history, then don't only use the classics illustrated
from your time in kindergarten. Show quoteHide quote "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message news:i4rsje$hht$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Kevin Provance" <k@p.c> wrote in message > news:i4rkou$egp$1@news.eternal-september.org.. > >> Careful Mike, once Cory starts talking countries, his true >> racist side starts showing...after all the Dutch are so above >> everyone else, especially us lowly war mongering Americans. > > I know, Kevin. I do know that Cor is a racist pig. I've seen some of his > postings which make that very clear. In fact The Netherlands, which is > Cor's homeland, initially pretended to stay neutral when World War II > broke out in 1939, in the hope of protecting themselves from the Nazi > attrocities whilst surrendering their so called allies to them (the Dutch > are a bunch of gutless bastards!), but this failed to happen when Nazi > Germany invaded the Netherlands in May 1940 and when on May 15, 1940, > just /one day/ after the Bombing of Rotterdam, the Dutch forces > capitulated and went completely "belly up" and surrendered. They really > are a bunch of gutless pussies, Kevin, although I suspect you know that > already, as does most of the civilised world. The entire world would today > be ruled by The Nazis if Cor and his compatriots had their way! He really > is a fat faced little piglet, as you can see from his Micro$oft MVP > profile here . . . > > > https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?name=cor+ligthert > > Lately he seems to have changed his profile image (and who would blame > him!) so that he does not look quite as much like a child molester and he > has instead selected an image of one of the children he . . . erm . . . > interfaced with. But don't let that fool you. That's just one of his boys. > The real Cor Ligthert is at the link I posted above. What a gutless little > fat bastard. > > Mike > > > > > > > > "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message Be careful, if everybody avioded the war untill December 1941 then Germany news:i4rsje$hht$1@speranza.aioe.org... > In fact The Netherlands, which is Cor's homeland, initially pretended to > stay neutral when World War II broke out in 1939, in the hope of > protecting themselves from the Nazi attrocities whilst surrendering their > so called allies to them (the Dutch are a bunch of gutless bastards!), but > this failed to happen when Nazi Germany invaded the Netherlands in May > 1940 and when on May 15, 1940, just /one day/ after the Bombing of > Rotterdam, the Dutch forces capitulated and went completely "belly up" and > surrendered. They really are a bunch of gutless pussies, would have already won the war. In all fairness the Dutch had a tiny army which had they fought would have been wiped out really quickly while the largest non-combative army sat on the fence for a further 19 months until Germany declared war on them a few days after Pearl Harbour. Sorry to tell the truth here, certainly Cor is a troll of the first order but let's not perpetuate the myth that America won WWII single handed. Sits back and waits for the affronted Americans DaveO. You seems to have not much experience in newsgroups.
They show up in newsgroups all the time at the end of those. In this message thread for instance, I show up like a troll but for sure not in other news threads in this newsgroup. Commonly that is in this newsgroup the case with Mike Williams and Kevin Provance. About the war in Europe, despite the "classics illustrated" view, was that war won by the Soviets, which took a large part of Poland and other countries. The invasion of Poland was in fact the reason why Britain and French declared war to Germany, because they had a treaty with Poland to come in action in that case. Despite that treaty they did nothing more than declare the war and were probably hopping that it would stay with that Chamberlain action (The British prime minister who sold in 1938 Czechoslovakia to the Nazis). The result is written on this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France If you are able to read it in another language than English or any other war involved language, (for instance Spanish) then I would advise you to do that as well. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalla_de_Francia The 'classics illustrated' view is not alone in colouring history to readers wish. Cor Show quoteHide quote "DaveO" <d**@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message news:O8S4KvqQLHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message > news:i4rsje$hht$1@speranza.aioe.org... > >> In fact The Netherlands, which is Cor's homeland, initially pretended >> to stay neutral when World War II broke out in 1939, in the hope of >> protecting themselves from the Nazi attrocities whilst surrendering their >> so called allies to them (the Dutch are a bunch of gutless bastards!), >> but this failed to happen when Nazi Germany invaded the Netherlands in >> May 1940 and when on May 15, 1940, just /one day/ after the Bombing of >> Rotterdam, the Dutch forces capitulated and went completely "belly up" >> and surrendered. They really are a bunch of gutless pussies, > > Be careful, if everybody avioded the war untill December 1941 then Germany > would have already won the war. In all fairness the Dutch had a tiny army > which had they fought would have been wiped out really quickly while the > largest non-combative army sat on the fence for a further 19 months until > Germany declared war on them a few days after Pearl Harbour. > > Sorry to tell the truth here, certainly Cor is a troll of the first order > but let's not perpetuate the myth that America won WWII single handed. > > Sits back and waits for the affronted Americans > > DaveO. > > > | while the Mike never said anything about the US. He himself is| largest non-combative army sat on the fence for a further 19 months until | Germany declared war on them a few days after Pearl Harbour. | | Sorry to tell the truth here, certainly Cor is a troll of the first order | but let's not perpetuate the myth that America won WWII single handed. | British. And I don't think anyone would claim that the US "won WW2 singlehandedly". This thread has already degenerated into pointless mudslinging. It'd be nice if if we could avoid starting a new subthread for "resentful nationalists". "DaveO" <d**@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message Well I never suggested they did. In fact it was mainly we British and our news:O8S4KvqQLHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Sorry to tell the truth here, certainly Cor is a troll of > the first order but let's not perpetuate the myth that > America won WWII single handed. Commonwealth partners who held the fort until the American government allowed Pearl Harbor to be bombed by the Japanese, even though they had advance knowledge of the planned attack, thereby enraging the American public to such an extent that their previous resistance to entering the war was almost totally diminished. If Pearl Harbor had not been bombed, and if America had not entered the war, then the outcome would almost certainly have been very different, but the Americans (apart from John Wayne of course!) certainly did not win the war single handed, that's for sure. They were a great help though, and I for one am extremely thankful for them doing what they did. Mike Probably to difficult for you; Dutch is a language, like English is a
language. Although most Dutchmen speak Dutch, like most Englishmen speak English are there more nationalities who speak Dutch, the same is for English. I would not call you an American by the way, there are some Americans who behave like you. But that does not make them Americans, they have that nationality and that is it. I've met to many Americans to let you not spoil that view from me on Americans. Show quoteHide quote "Kevin Provance" <k@p.c> wrote in message news:i4rkou$egp$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:%233KXUegQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > : > : So give than a solution instead of only telling what is wrong. > : > : Dutch and English have not such different semantics, although because of > : that language became written, the words have changed. Before the battle > of > : Hastings even the words were more likely to each other. > : > : Our word "Altijd" can be translated for Always, while I thought "(voor) > : eeuwig" to forever. "Eeuwig" is is more persistently then "Altijd". > : > : So I wanted to express "behaviour without any chance on a change", do > you > : have a better word; I mean better not just synonyms, those I can get > from > a > : dictionary. > : > : You know, I did not learn English on a Kindergarten. > : > : I mean of course a word not only used in your borough, but all over the > : world where English is spoken. > : > > Careful Mike, once Cory starts talking countries, his true racist side > starts showing...after all the Dutch are so above everyone else, > especially > us lowly war mongering Americans. I'm not sure where the British fall in > his deluded schedule of hate. But as I am part British, I'd be interested > to know. > > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message A faced little are troll fat you Cor?news:eAVDhtjQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Although most Dutchmen speak Dutch, like most Englishmen > speak English are there more nationalities who speak Dutch, > the same is for English. Keep it to your own website Mike.
http://www.ehow.com/how_2259002_whiskey-coke.html Like your show in your email address that is the only solution for grumpy in their own influence about VB disappointed persons like you. But maybe can you get rid of the whiskey and try VB Net once, maybe it brings back some pleasure in live instead of just picking on other persons all the time. Like your fellow in Tampa (To be even more precise, I mean that one with that Haitian name) . Picking on persons gives not any addition to this newsgroup and classic VB. For the rest, you are just an anonymous chicken, the most close website where I found your name was this one. http://web.mac.com/detellis/Mike_Williams/Home.html By the way, you have to often made a reply on my messages, that it makes no sense to do currently if you don't understand my English. In past I never used a spellchecker for the newsgroups, but that is changed since I use Windows Live for the newsgroups, therefore so bad it cannot be. Cor Show quoteHide quote "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message news:i4t74m$kml$1@speranza.aioe.org... > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:eAVDhtjQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> Although most Dutchmen speak Dutch, like most Englishmen >> speak English are there more nationalities who speak Dutch, >> the same is for English. > > A faced little are troll fat you Cor? > > > > > >
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"Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Yeah, hasn't anyone told you that posting your wet dreams is a really news:uGmwxoqQLHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : Keep it to your own website Mike. : : http://www.ehow.com/how_2259002_whiskey-coke.html : : Like your show in your email address that is the only solution for grumpy in : their own influence about VB disappointed persons like you. : : But maybe can you get rid of the whiskey and try VB Net once, maybe it : brings back some pleasure in live instead of just picking on other persons : all the time. Like your fellow in Tampa (To be even more precise, I mean : that one with that Haitian name) . : : Picking on persons gives not any addition to this newsgroup and classic VB. : : For the rest, you are just an anonymous chicken, the most close website : where I found your name was this one. : : http://web.mac.com/detellis/Mike_Williams/Home.html : : By the way, you have to often made a reply on my messages, that it makes no : sense to do currently if you don't understand my English. : : In past I never used a spellchecker for the newsgroups, but that is changed : since I use Windows Live for the newsgroups, therefore so bad it cannot be. classless thing to do? I mean, not that you ever had any, but still. Gross. I guess this makes you a homo as well, eh? And one small FYI, ass lick, my name is French in origin...not haitian...LMAO!!!!! haitian. Not only did you completely get the wrong Mike Williams in your pathetic attempt to dox the fellow, but your sense of geography is completely ass backwards too. You're not good at this Cory. Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself and go back to the MSFT sandbox. You'll be safer there. "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message That's not a website for me, Cor. There is no way I would ever drink whisky news:uGmwxoqQLHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Keep it to your own website Mike. > http://www.ehow.com/how_2259002_whiskey-coke.html with an "e" in it. I drink Scotch. My newsgroup email address does not have an "e" in it, and neither does my whisky. > Picking on persons gives not any addition to this I am not trying to add something to the newsgroup when I reply to your troll > newsgroup and classic VB. posts, Ligthert, I am trying to take something away, namely the troll Cor Ligthert. Failing to respond does not work with you, because you just continue to troll anyway, so I'm hoping that picking on you might do the trick. It's worked before with others. > For the rest, you are just an anonymous chicken, the most That's not me, Ligthert, you silly boy. If you click the "mission" link on > close website where I found your name was this one. > http://web.mac.com/detellis/Mike_Williams/Home.html that page you will see that he lives in the Dominican Republic, whereas I do not. You really are a silly boy. But I think this might be you when you were at university studying sociology and when you actually had some hair: http://www.ted.com/profiles/view/id/143031 .. . . and this is most definitely you now that you have lost all your hair and have a fat chubby face that looks like a smacked arse: https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx?name=cor+ligthert Mike "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message University of Amsterdam, huh? That sure does explain a lot. Show me anyone news:i4tolg$hg7$1@speranza.aioe.org... : : http://www.ted.com/profiles/view/id/143031 : there who isn't high on hash 24/7. Maybe that's Cory's problem, he can put sentences together because he's burnt out. Cor - although I smile when I read your rubbish on here concerning .nxt, I
have tried it and hated it. It is NOT even a language and it certainly is NOT basic in any way, shape or form. It's nothing but a bunch of Java wanna-be classes put together and compiled into or from framework. It creates a complicated programming environment, which is not needed to accomplish the task at hand. Please go away and leave us alone here. Noone here is interested in changing over to microjerk's new crap to make themselves look bigger and smarter than they actually are. You're a jerk and do not know of what you speak in almost every post I have read of yours. Why do you continue to bother people here with rubbish you are spewing in every direction? Just my opinion, from what I have read, you ARE what they say you are - so please leave! Steve Show quoteHide quote "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message news:uGmwxoqQLHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Keep it to your own website Mike. > > http://www.ehow.com/how_2259002_whiskey-coke.html > > Like your show in your email address that is the only solution for grumpy > in their own influence about VB disappointed persons like you. > > But maybe can you get rid of the whiskey and try VB Net once, maybe it > brings back some pleasure in live instead of just picking on other persons > all the time. Like your fellow in Tampa (To be even more precise, I mean > that one with that Haitian name) . > > Picking on persons gives not any addition to this newsgroup and classic > VB. > > For the rest, you are just an anonymous chicken, the most close website > where I found your name was this one. > > http://web.mac.com/detellis/Mike_Williams/Home.html > > By the way, you have to often made a reply on my messages, that it makes > no sense to do currently if you don't understand my English. > > In past I never used a spellchecker for the newsgroups, but that is > changed since I use Windows Live for the newsgroups, therefore so bad it > cannot be. > > Cor > > "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message > news:i4t74m$kml$1@speranza.aioe.org... >> "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message >> news:eAVDhtjQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >>> Although most Dutchmen speak Dutch, like most Englishmen >>> speak English are there more nationalities who speak Dutch, >>> the same is for English. >> >> A faced little are troll fat you Cor? >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve,
No chance I respond seriously to trolls like you in this newsgroup anymore. Cor Show quoteHide quote "Steve Smith" <ab***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:i4tss1$o6u$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Cor - although I smile when I read your rubbish on here concerning .nxt, I > have tried it and hated it. It is NOT even a language and it certainly is > NOT basic in any way, shape or form. It's nothing but a bunch of Java > wanna-be classes put together and compiled into or from framework. It > creates a complicated programming environment, which is not needed to > accomplish the task at hand. > > Please go away and leave us alone here. Noone here is interested in > changing over to microjerk's new crap to make themselves look bigger and > smarter than they actually are. You're a jerk and do not know of what you > speak in almost every post I have read of yours. Why do you continue to > bother people here with rubbish you are spewing in every direction? > > Just my opinion, from what I have read, you ARE what they say you are - so > please leave! > > Steve > > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:uGmwxoqQLHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Keep it to your own website Mike. >> >> http://www.ehow.com/how_2259002_whiskey-coke.html >> >> Like your show in your email address that is the only solution for grumpy >> in their own influence about VB disappointed persons like you. >> >> But maybe can you get rid of the whiskey and try VB Net once, maybe it >> brings back some pleasure in live instead of just picking on other >> persons all the time. Like your fellow in Tampa (To be even more precise, >> I mean that one with that Haitian name) . >> >> Picking on persons gives not any addition to this newsgroup and classic >> VB. >> >> For the rest, you are just an anonymous chicken, the most close website >> where I found your name was this one. >> >> http://web.mac.com/detellis/Mike_Williams/Home.html >> >> By the way, you have to often made a reply on my messages, that it makes >> no sense to do currently if you don't understand my English. >> >> In past I never used a spellchecker for the newsgroups, but that is >> changed since I use Windows Live for the newsgroups, therefore so bad it >> cannot be. >> >> Cor >> >> "Mike Williams" <M***@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message >> news:i4t74m$kml$1@speranza.aioe.org... >>> "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message >>> news:eAVDhtjQLHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> Although most Dutchmen speak Dutch, like most Englishmen >>>> speak English are there more nationalities who speak Dutch, >>>> the same is for English. >>> >>> A faced little are troll fat you Cor? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message I hope you mean that you are not going to respond to anybody any more, and news:uFfRzssQLHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Steve, > No chance I respond seriously to trolls > like you in this newsgroup anymore. that you are going to leave this group alone. That would certainly be the best thing you could do, Cor. Just take your face that looks like a smacked arse and feed it to the dotnet groups instead. Mike "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message You've totally lost me there, Cor. Your Pidgin English seems to be becoming news:%233KXUegQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > You want to show you good education [and other crap]? worse, rather than better. Would you kindly elucidate? Michael "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Pardon? Why would /I/ want to show /me/ something, Cor? What would be the news:%233KXUegQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > You want to show you good education? point of that? It would be just as silly for /me/ to show /me/ something as it would be for /you/ to show /you/ something. Have you taken leave of your senses? > So give than a solution instead of only telling what is wrong. Erm . . . Pass. Would you like to rephrase your question, Cor, perhaps this time saying it in English! Or do you want me to perhaps translate your question from Dutch into English? I would certainly do that for you, Cor, except I do not know the Dutch phrase for "I surrender". Would you like to help me with that one? I believe it was a very popular phrase in Holland at the time of World War II. > You know, I did not learn English on a Kindergarten. Yes, I can accept that Cor. In fact I can see you did not learn English anywhere at all. But that is not your own fault, Cor, so please do not blame yourself for it. In fact it is the fault of your Father and your Grandfather, who both so readily and so eagerly capitulated to the Nazis that they might as well have had their private parts up Hitler's arse. But that's not your fault, Cor. It is not your own private parts that were up Hitler's arse, it is the private parts of your Father and your Grandfather that were up in that dark passage. Please do not feel bad about it. Mike "Cor" <Notmyfirstn***@planet.nl> wrote in message Hi Cor. Really nice to hear from you again. This is such fun, isn't it? I do news:u$IoM9TQLHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Mike. Don't show so often that you are proud that you > have learned English in Kindergarten. I forever get the > idea that it was the last education you got. like a good tête-à-tête with a troll such as yourself. When I say "tête-à-tête", I of course do not want you to take that literally. I would not actually like to come face to face with you (I mean, what a frightening face), although judging by your MVP profile photo I'm sure that lots of "girly" boys would like to put something close to it! By the way, I see from your MVP profile that you are a typewriter mechanic. I bet that's an interesting job. Much more interesting than being an engineer, or a humble taxi driver, that's for sure. It is so nice to have these little chats with someone from "the other side", so to speak. It is sometimes very difficult for a man to understand people like you and I am grateful to have this opportunity of conversing with you and trying to understand how your little brain ticks. I do have a major problem with your preference for children though. I think that is going to be a hard one to swallow (I'm sure you've said that phrase many times before!). This is going to be really good fun, Cor, as I'm sure you will agree. Hope to hear from you again from soon. Mike Cor wrote:
> Powerbasic does as far as I can follow this link on Wikepedia not even To lead into error of thought or action, especially by intentionally > follow the language specification from vb6, which is in VB10 included > for at least 90%. <snipped> > > By the way, Microsoft gives software tools as freeware while also the > programs created with it are completely free to deploy. deceiving is called misleading. These tools allow to develop directly for the Windows platform (and beyond), something MS is denying to developers. 10 years ago, MS betrayed its best friend (the Windows developer), that was the VB6 and Visual Studio 6 user. By cutting off application-development for Windows and breaking all languages compatibility, MS looked to corner developers to develop for blatantnet, joining MS's holly war for controlling the Internet against the increasing success and adoption of Java, with IBM and Sun. 10 years later, the so called "new programming infrastructure of the Internet" strategy is still something MS is betting on. MS have to understand they need to satisfy every development need, and allow developers to program directly for the OS and not for blatantnet. The betrayal and strategy are still on today. What MS is doing to its developers is *wrong.* MS needs to acknowledge this and either do the right think by satisfying *all* developers' needs or it must learn once-for-all to be *quiet* and stop the continuous *jealousy* on emerging technologies. After serious thinking Cor wrote :
> I thought that this newsgroup was for VB6, not for powerbasic, patnerbasic or PowerBasic is an excelent platfrom. I highly recommend it.> whateverbasic. > > Powerbasic does as far as I can follow this link on Wikepedia not even follow > the language specification from vb6, which is in VB10 included for at least > 90%. > -- Tom Shelton It happens that Nando formulated :
> I don't know if you have seen it, but the video is a year old, and the guy is My take on that video...> one of the lead program managers for Visual Studio and the guy in charge of > VB6. Microsoft's Support for VB6 Users Remains a Disappointment http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2009/10/27/microsoft-vb6-support-strategy.aspx 
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