I'm now using XP (bought another computer) and installed my HP
Laserjet P2015. When I looked back at the screen, what did I see?
"Installing .Net Framework", that's what.

..Net is like the fifth column in World War II. I suppose I'm lumbered
with it now.

MM

Why don't you write this when it is about DirectX (or openGL) which is
mostly needed for modern advanced games

More and more software around automatic hardware support is using Net.

Cor

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Nobody asked you, evangelist.  Go back to dot next land where - hopefully
for you - someone gives a *#!@.

If Windows Update founds *any* version of .NET on system, it will update it
and install version 2.0, 3.0, 3.5

  I wonder if that is HP-specific. I help a number
of people with their PCs. Many have HP printers.
Recent versions have become bloated with crapware.
It's absurd to have 12 items loading at startup with
4 or 5 of those being unnecessary printer junk. (I
still can't figure out why printers have to be installed
at all. Why don't they have some kind of industry-
standard specs, so that any software could just send
a call that says "here's the data, and here's the print
spec"?

  I've decided never to buy HP again. I actually don't
know whether other printers are any better. But I
do at least know that HP is really bad.

(Interesting aside: I once had an HP Deskjet 697.
On the CD was an entire VB6 project for a registration
applet. The whole thing -- .frm files, .vbp file, etc.!)

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I don't buy HP Printers neither.
I have seen app's that printed correct on all printers except HP

Back to Win98, my own VB application didn't print on HP laser printers
except when an old driver was installed. No idea why.

I now use different models of OKI and I am very satisfied with them.

Chris


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MM <kylix***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
HP has used .Net for their printer support utilities for a long 
time now.

On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:18:19 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:

Don't quite understand folks' antipathy towards HP, since I have only
ever had good results from various Laserjets. My little P2015D works a
treat and it cost a fraction of the huge Laserjet III Duplex I bought
back in 1993 (about £1,500 I seem to recall back then).

However, the software installation on XP went on for AGES and an
incredible number of files flashed by, whether being updated or
installed I couldn't tell, but it seemed like every file ever created
was being installed on my PC - and only because I wanted the HP
ToolboxFX utility!

Anyway, the machine's all still working, although I've just seen a HP
popup asking me whether I want to check for updates! (Yep, Mr HP, I do
happen to have a spare terabyte drive on the shelf....NOT!)

MM

I suppose it depends on your own personal experiences with them. My own
experience is that HP printer installations attempt to install tons of
extremely bloated and not very useful software along with their driver.

Also, most importantly, (at least with some specific models I have used
myself) their drivers often do not work properly anyway and many of their
printing modes are absolute rubbish. They've probably (hopefully?) got to
grips with it on their new models, but in the case of the couple of HP
printer models I have owned the driver reports incorrect information to
Windows about the size of its unprintable margins, thereby causing carefully
positioned output to be in the wrong position on the page in all
applications, including of course VB. It's only a fairly small amount, and
only on certain printers at certain printer settings, but those are the
settings you almost always need to use when printing anything other than
standard letters, and it can be very noticeable when printing data over
pre-printed sheets and when printing small labels.

That would not be a major problem if HP responded to user feedback and
actually produced driver updates that corrected the problems they have been
informed about, but in fact HP completely ignore requests to fix driver
problem issues. They go throught the motions, but they just don't actually
do anything about it. They are just too busy writing more dodgy drivers for
the new printer models they seem to produce every few months, and writing
updates for their stupid bloatware, that they cannot be bothered to write
updated drivers for their existing models (unless of course the update is
designed specifically and solely to dump more stupid bloatware on your
system)! I just don't like HP. They encroach onto your system at every
available opportunity and they dig their heels in everywhere, almost as
though they own it!

Mike

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