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Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of CommunityThis message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. Why? As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology and discontinue support for newsgroups. In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown? All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach, starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more active ones throughout the course of the next six months. Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx Who Should I Contact with any Questions? Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to N***@microsoft.com -- Visual Basic General
-- Questions and discussions not covered in the other VB forums such as Data and Setup. (Not for VB6 questions.) Do I not understand the above correctly, or are you sending the VB6 newsgroup to a forum where we can not post about VB6. Stan n***@microsoft.com wrote: Show quoteHide quote > > What is Happening? > This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > > Why? > As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the > traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the > past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding > solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This > move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier > for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and > make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through > improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam > management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a > healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will > begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology > and discontinue support for newsgroups. > > In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those > users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the > newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge > which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the > forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader > functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the > NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ > > Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown? > All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and > October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach, > starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more > active ones throughout the course of the next six months. > > Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? > In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. > > Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx > > Who Should I Contact with any Questions? > Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to > N***@microsoft.com On 20/05/2010 15:07, Stan Weiss wrote:
> -- Visual Basic General Yes they are.> > -- Questions and discussions not covered in the other VB forums such as > Data and Setup. (Not for VB6 questions.) > > Do I not understand the above correctly, or are you sending the VB6 > newsgroup to a forum where we can not post about VB6. -- Dee Earley (dee.ear***@icode.co.uk) i-Catcher Development Team iCode Systems (Replies direct to my email address will be ignored. Please reply to the group.) What I find interesting is that they do have a link for person's wanting to
ask about VB6, but one of their links points right back to this newsgroup they are going to close. Makes a lot of sense! Norm n***@microsoft.com wrote:
> What is Happening? Proving as best they could that Microsoft has become the IBM they > This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. formerly mocked. > In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, Another way to say, "deliver more obnoxious advertising",> Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? Which specifically forbids discussion of the product discussed here. > In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is > scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you > to participate at > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). An > exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. Just how deeply must Microsoft despise the community to suggest such a mockingly transparent and vapid solution? > Who Should I Contact with any Questions? Up to all of us, to let them know. Not that it will matter. More > Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to > N***@microsoft.com importantly, while we can still leave cookie crumbs in the archives, we need to start pointing folks looking for clues in the future where to turn next. See my sig for one idea. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc On Thu, 20 May 2010 10:19:02 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org>
wrote: Show quoteHide quote >> In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is <Tongue-in-cheek>>> scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you >> to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). An >> exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. > >Which specifically forbids discussion of the product discussed here. >Just how deeply must Microsoft despise the community to suggest such a >mockingly transparent and vapid solution? > >> Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >> N***@microsoft.com > >Up to all of us, to let them know. Not that it will matter. More >importantly, while we can still leave cookie crumbs in the archives, we >need to start pointing folks looking for clues in the future where to >turn next. See my sig for one idea. Once this group is shut down maybe we should bombard the new off-limits forum with VB6 questions, just to keep the forum police busy canceling all the "off-topic" posts! </Tongue-in-cheek> In all seriousness, although I'm mostly a lurker I've set up an account at E-S and will monitor comp.lang.basic.visual.misc there, as well as keep watching here, until here disappears. I learn a lot just hiding in the shadows and I'm glad I will be able to do so at a new "home" that won't inundate me with "obnoxious advertising." Setting up the account with eternal-september was painless and quick. btw. RW RW wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Thu, 20 May 2010 10:19:02 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> Well, we can certainly point to Official Notice that, despite what the > wrote: > >>> In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is >>> scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite >>> you to participate at >>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). >>> An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. >> >> Which specifically forbids discussion of the product discussed here. >> Just how deeply must Microsoft despise the community to suggest such a >> mockingly transparent and vapid solution? >> >>> Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >>> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >>> N***@microsoft.com >> >> Up to all of us, to let them know. Not that it will matter. More >> importantly, while we can still leave cookie crumbs in the archives, we >> need to start pointing folks looking for clues in the future where to >> turn next. See my sig for one idea. > > <Tongue-in-cheek> > Once this group is shut down maybe we should bombard the new > off-limits forum with VB6 questions, just to keep the forum police > busy canceling all the "off-topic" posts! > </Tongue-in-cheek> signs hanging outside may say, we *were* invited! :-) > In all seriousness, although I'm mostly a lurker I've set up an Yep, seems to even get the posts made to this server sooner than the > account at E-S and will monitor comp.lang.basic.visual.misc there, as > well as keep watching here, until here disappears. I learn a lot just > hiding in the shadows and I'm glad I will be able to do so at a new > "home" that won't inundate me with "obnoxious advertising." > > Setting up the account with eternal-september was painless and quick. > btw. this server feeds 'em back! -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Karl E. Peterson expressed precisely :
Show quoteHide quote > RW wrote: Who wants to be the first to try? Are we going to try and do it in an >> On Thu, 20 May 2010 10:19:02 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> >> wrote: >> >>>> In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is >>>> scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite >>>> you to participate at >>>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). >>>> An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. >>> >>> Which specifically forbids discussion of the product discussed here. Just >>> how deeply must Microsoft despise the community to suggest such a >>> mockingly transparent and vapid solution? >>> >>>> Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >>>> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >>>> N***@microsoft.com >>> >>> Up to all of us, to let them know. Not that it will matter. More >>> importantly, while we can still leave cookie crumbs in the archives, we >>> need to start pointing folks looking for clues in the future where to turn >>> next. See my sig for one idea. >> >> <Tongue-in-cheek> >> Once this group is shut down maybe we should bombard the new >> off-limits forum with VB6 questions, just to keep the forum police >> busy canceling all the "off-topic" posts! >> </Tongue-in-cheek> > > Well, we can certainly point to Official Notice that, despite what the signs > hanging outside may say, we *were* invited! :-) > organised manner? Show quoteHide quote >> In all seriousness, although I'm mostly a lurker I've set up an >> account at E-S and will monitor comp.lang.basic.visual.misc there, as >> well as keep watching here, until here disappears. I learn a lot just >> hiding in the shadows and I'm glad I will be able to do so at a new >> "home" that won't inundate me with "obnoxious advertising." >> >> Setting up the account with eternal-september was painless and quick. >> btw. > > Yep, seems to even get the posts made to this server sooner than the this > server feeds 'em back! "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message news:Ohbj4mH%23KHA.1892@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... And give those chuckleheads like Clement and McCarthy and chance to drop their egofueled MVP hammer on us? Not a chance in hell. They and MSFT can pack my balls.: Well, we can certainly point to Official Notice that, despite what the : signs hanging outside may say, we *were* invited! :-) -- Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc C. Kevin Provance wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote... Yeah, moderation removes any element of sport entirely, doesn't it?>> Well, we can certainly point to Official Notice that, despite what the >> signs hanging outside may say, we *were* invited! :-) > > And give those chuckleheads like Clement and McCarthy and chance to drop > their egofueled MVP hammer on us? Not a chance in hell. They and MSFT can > pack my balls. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message news:uqMLGZ5%23KHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Partially. What MSFT should do is compile a list of prechosen statements posters may choose from and eliminate the need for moderators completely.: : Yeah, moderation removes any element of sport entirely, doesn't it? However, I am going to have some fun over there pushing VB6 and the hypocrisy of the NNTP closure and it's backwards solutions for classic vb users until I get banned. Should be fun. "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message news:OvdlMCE%23KHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... I like it. Mind if I steal it? <eg>: Up to all of us, to let them know. Not that it will matter. More : importantly, while we can still leave cookie crumbs in the archives, we : need to start pointing folks looking for clues in the future where to : turn next. See my sig for one idea. -- Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc C. Kevin Provance wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote... Not at all! The more the merrier. It's for a good cause. :-)>> Up to all of us, to let them know. Not that it will matter. More >> importantly, while we can still leave cookie crumbs in the archives, we >> need to start pointing folks looking for clues in the future where to >> turn next. See my sig for one idea. > > I like it. Mind if I steal it? <eg> -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org <n***@microsoft.com> wrote
> Duke U (home of Usenet) also shuttering usenet servers....> What is Happening? > This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to > N***@microsoft.com http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2010/05/usenet.html Coincidence, or collusion? ??? Larry Serflaten wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > <n***@microsoft.com> wrote Yeah, I read about that earlier today. It's a sad day for the >> >> What is Happening? >> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing >> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > >> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >> N***@microsoft.com > > > Duke U (home of Usenet) also shuttering usenet servers.... > > http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2010/05/usenet.html > > Coincidence, or collusion? > > ??? Internet, as the corporate behemouths take yet another bite out of the collective soul. :-( -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org n***@microsoft.com wrote:
> No. Just NO.> What is Happening? > This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. You don't get to "transition" me anywhere, fool. Wow - what an amazing attitude of entitlement. All too familiar, but still amazing when it's so exposed for all to see. Bob Ex-MVP for Classic VB -- "Bob O`Bob" <filter***@yahoogroups.com> wrote in message I agree. Micro$oft really are an arrogant bunch of b*st*rds. "Transitioning news:ht7dpf$dt7$1@news.eternal-september.org... > n***@microsoft.com wrote: >> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon >> begin discontinuing newsgroups and transitioning users >> to Microsoft forums. > > No. Just NO. > You don't get to "transition" me anywhere, fool. > Wow - what an amazing attitude of entitlement. > All too familiar, but still amazing when it's so > exposed for all to see. users to Micro$oft forums"! What a bunch of crap! They're not going to "transition" me anywhere! With that sort of attitude its no wonder they feel no remorse about their gangster like activities in Africa! They actually believe they are entitled to behave in that way! No wonder the gullible David Kaye sees them as gods, because that's clearly how they see themselves! Mike | They I don't think that's unusual. Microsoft creates that| actually believe they are entitled to behave in that way! No wonder the | gullible David Kaye sees them as gods, because that's clearly how they see | themselves! | image and many people fall for it. They have a surprisingly good reputation among the general public. In that respect I appreciate outbursts like that from David Kaye. It provides an opportunity to get some of the lesser-known facts into the light of day. I remember that when I first got involved with computers I thought of Microsoft people as very bright scientists in white coats. I think that's probably the view of the general public. There's a sort of moral purity implied by that [cliche] image. It's reinforced by the bland daffiness of Microsoft commercials. (Remember the soccer mom in the purple butterfly suit? And Jerry Seinfeld?? He was the whiney star of a long-running show in which every character was a comically unattractive, selfish "loser". Yet Microsoft picked him as a cynical non- spokesperson!) The other thing that reinforces the view of MS as being made up of white-coated above-it-all scientists is that abstruseness is arguably Microsoft's 4th biggest product (or rather, the 4th biggest that doesn't lose money), after monopoly maintenance, marketing and software. The frivolous generation of abstruseness sells loads of support contracts, documentation, training classes, etc. ...And it helps portray Microsofties as unimaginably bright geeks. n***@microsoft.com wrote:
> What is Happening? Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups?> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. Or did the b*stards completely hide their crime from the history books? -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org
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"Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet Seems the OP is marked as a RE:, guess a thread can't start with a RE:, or??news:ezSIrKR$KHA.4316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > n***@microsoft.com wrote: >> What is Happening? >> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin >> discontinuing >> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > > Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? > > Or did the b*stards completely hide their crime from the history books? > > -- > .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org > Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT > ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc > Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org > > /Henning On May 26, 3:33 pm, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> wrote:
> Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? Try here: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.mfc/msg/fb6819496c91c863?hl=enLFS "Larry Serflaten" <serfla***@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet On May 26, 3:33 pm, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> wrote:news:0061c922-1a06-473a-960a-c5ccc126dc1b@o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? Try here: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.mfc/msg/fb6819496c91c863?hl=en LFS Except this part that is different... invite you to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vssmartdevicesnative/th... forum(s). Not exactly the same thing. /Henning "Larry Serflaten" <serfla***@gmail.com> wrote in message On May 26, 3:33 pm, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> wrote:news:0061c922-1a06-473a-960a-c5ccc126dc1b@o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? Try here: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.mfc/msg/fb6819496c91c863?hl=enoops, I just noticed, its (nearly) the same messsage, but the wrong group. I did not see one for this group! Weird.... LFS Larry Serflaten wrote:
> "Larry Serflaten" <serfla***@gmail.com> wrote in message Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us.> news:0061c922-1a06-473a-960a-c5ccc126dc1b@o39g2000vbd.googlegroups.com... > On May 26, 3:33 pm, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> wrote: > >> Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? > > Try here: > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.mfc/msg/fb6819496c91c863?hl=en > > oops, I just noticed, its (nearly) the same messsage, but the wrong group. > I did not see one for this group! Weird.... -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they are news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them wherever they try to lead. I see the 'reminder' post but not the original message. "Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> wrote in message I take that back; the first 'reminder' post doesn't appear eithernews:b9hLn.25606$Ak3.17834@newsfe16.iad... > > "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message > news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. > > While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they are > totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them wherever > they try to lead. > > I see the 'reminder' post but not the original message. Bob Butler wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message True, that!> news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. > > While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they are > totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them wherever > they try to lead. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org "Bob Butler" <noway@nospam.ever> skrev i meddelelsen Psycopaths of the cool types never becomes embarrassed.news:b9hLn.25606$Ak3.17834@newsfe16.iad... > > "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message > news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. > > While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they are > totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them wherever > they try to lead. > > I see the 'reminder' post but not the original message. > The normal ones who fails in between are generally willing in having a positive dialog with the offended ones, trying to enter into compromise with. The MS-employees show no sign at all. They only shows a hard-coded requirement. Though, It seems to me being a trend all over today, not confined to ms alone. /se Bob Butler wrote:
> I don't think anybody sees them as "leading" much of anything any more.> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message > news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. > > While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they are > totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them > wherever they try to lead. It wasn't just us. They're even /behind/ Apple now. Bob -- "Bob O`Bob" <filter***@yahoogroups.com> wrote in message Micro$oft's days are numbered, at least in the sense of them remaining such news:htl6gf$k0q$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> While they should be, I seriously doubt that they >> are. I think they [Micro$oft] are totally clueless >> why anybody would not be willing to follow them >> wherever they try to lead. > > I don't think anybody sees them as "leading" much > of anything any more. It wasn't just us. They're even /behind/ Apple now. a large and powerful organisation as they currently are. They understand a lot about the profit motives of other large companies (particular those that manufacture or distribute machines and those who distribute software) and so they can make big bucks by spreading their bribes around in a manner that most efficiently causes those companies to do their bidding . The problem is that the world is rapidly moving to where the big bucks are in getting the little bucks from the little people, and Micro$oft simply do not understand people. That is where they will fail, and will fall behind those companies that do undertsand such things. Mike | They understand a That might be wishful thinking. There's the Linux| lot about the profit motives of other large companies .... | Micro$oft simply do not understand | people. That is where they will fail, and will fall | behind those companies | that do undertsand such things. protection racket, and the new H.264 protection racket....and probably more such "innovations" in the pipeline. If MS can pull off getting a cut of all Linux installs they won't even need Windows anymore. Yesterday I read that MS is threatening people who might use a new Parallels product to upgrade WinXP to Win7. These are customers who want to install Win7 and keep XP in a VM to run Win7-incompatible software. But they have OEM XP with a Win7 upgrade disk, and according to MS they don't have a right to use both systems at once. So Microsoft is threatening their most devoted customers with legal action for the "crime" of trying to find value in a new copy of MS software that they didn't need in the first place! Bob O`Bob wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Bob Butler wrote: As evidenced by the recent deluge of articles on how Apple has lost >> >> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message >> news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. >> >> While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they are >> totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them wherever >> they try to lead. > > > I don't think anybody sees them as "leading" much of anything any more. > It wasn't just us. > > They're even /behind/ Apple now. it's cool. :-) -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Karl E. Peterson wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Bob O`Bob wrote: And neither one of them is the current "evil empire" to be most concerned about.>> Bob Butler wrote: >>> >>> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> wrote in message >>> news:eM59gAS$KHA.5392@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Not so weird. They are embarrassed by how they've treated us. >>> >>> While they should be, I seriously doubt that they are. I think they >>> are totally clueless why anybody would not be willing to follow them >>> wherever they try to lead. >> >> >> I don't think anybody sees them as "leading" much of anything any more. >> It wasn't just us. >> >> They're even /behind/ Apple now. > > As evidenced by the recent deluge of articles on how Apple has lost it's > cool. :-) > Whether that's Google or Facebook remains to be determined. Probably both. Bob --
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"Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet Hmmmm, am only I getting this from the msg src?news:ezSIrKR$KHA.4316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > n***@microsoft.com wrote: >> What is Happening? >> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin >> discontinuing >> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > > Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? > > Or did the b*stards completely hide their crime from the history books? > > -- > .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org > Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT > ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc > Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org > > Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmVtaW5kZXIgLSBNaWNyb3NvZnQgUmVzcG9uZHMgdG8gdGhlIEV2b2x1dGlvbiBvZiBDb21tdW5pdHk=?= /Henning Henning wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet Saw that too, yeah. No posts by n***@microsoft.com show up in Google > news:ezSIrKR$KHA.4316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> n***@microsoft.com wrote: >>> What is Happening? >>> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing >>> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. >> >> Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? >> >> Or did the b*stards completely hide their crime from the history books? >> >> -- .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org >> Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT >> ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc >> Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org >> >> > > Hmmmm, am only I getting this from the msg src? > > Subject: > =?UTF-8?B?UmVtaW5kZXIgLSBNaWNyb3NvZnQgUmVzcG9uZHMgdG8gdGhlIEV2b2x1dGlvbiBvZiBDb21tdW5pdHk=?= Groups for this group, as best I can tell. They've done something screwy, which I'd like to give them credit for. But ineptitude always seems to be the underlying cause, in the end, doesn't it? -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org
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"Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet Isn't it just as easy to copy the original post and refer to it in news:uyCcRBS$KHA.3176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Henning wrote: >> "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet >> news:ezSIrKR$KHA.4316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> n***@microsoft.com wrote: >>>> What is Happening? >>>> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin >>>> discontinuing >>>> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. >>> >>> Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? >>> >>> Or did the b*stards completely hide their crime from the history books? >>> >>> -- .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org >>> Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT >>> ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc >>> Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org >>> >>> >> >> Hmmmm, am only I getting this from the msg src? >> >> Subject: >> =?UTF-8?B?UmVtaW5kZXIgLSBNaWNyb3NvZnQgUmVzcG9uZHMgdG8gdGhlIEV2b2x1dGlvbiBvZiBDb21tdW5pdHk=?= > > Saw that too, yeah. No posts by n***@microsoft.com show up in Google > Groups for this group, as best I can tell. They've done something screwy, > which I'd like to give them credit for. But ineptitude always seems to be > the underlying cause, in the end, doesn't it? > > -- > .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org > Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT > ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc > Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org > > googlegrps? Something like "This is what it is all about". I'll see if I can do it. /Henning Henning wrote:
> Isn't it just as easy to copy the original post and refer to it in Heh, I just had the very same idea!> googlegrps? > > Something like "This is what it is all about". > > I'll see if I can do it. -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org On 27 Maj, 00:10, Karl E. Peterson <k***@exmvps.org> wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Henning wrote: This is what it is all about:> > "Karl E. Peterson" <k***@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet > >news:ezSIrKR$KHA.4316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> n***@microsoft.com wrote: > >>> What is Happening? > >>> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > >>> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > > >> Can anyone find the beginning of this thread in Google Groups? > > >> Or did the b*stards completely hide their crime from the history books? > > >> -- .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org > >> Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT > >> ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc > >> Free usenet access athttp://www.eternal-september.org > > > Hmmmm, am only I getting this from the msg src? > > > Subject: > > =?UTF-8?B?UmVtaW5kZXIgLSBNaWNyb3NvZnQgUmVzcG9uZHMgdG8gdGhlIEV2b2x1dGlvbiBvZiBDb21tdW5pdHk=?= > > Saw that too, yeah. No posts by n***@microsoft.com show up in Google > Groups for this group, as best I can tell. They've done something > screwy, which I'd like to give them credit for. But ineptitude always > seems to be the underlying cause, in the end, doesn't it? > > -- > .NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org > Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT > ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc > Free usenet access athttp://www.eternal-september.org What is Happening? This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. Why? As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology and discontinue support for newsgroups. In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown? All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach, starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more active ones throughout the course of the next six months. Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx Who Should I Contact with any Questions? Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to N***@microsoft.com /Henning n***@microsoft.com wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > What is Happening? Quoting the full message, uneditted, for Google Groups.> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing > newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. > > Why? > As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the > traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the > past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding > solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This > move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier > for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and > make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through > improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam > management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a > healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will > begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology > and discontinue support for newsgroups. > > In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those > users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the > newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge > which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the > forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader > functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the > NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ > > Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown? > All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and > October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach, > starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more > active ones throughout the course of the next six months. > > > Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? > In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is > scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you > to participate at > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads forum(s). An > exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. > > Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx > > Who Should I Contact with any Questions? > Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to > N***@microsoft.com -- ..NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org 
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