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Form Minimize, restore, maximize, close buttonsI don't know if I have a "Problem" or just a "problem", but I have a form that's missing the Minimize and Maximize buttons up in the top right corner, next to the "X" to close it. Both Min/Max properties are set to True in the Properties window. A few other properties have been changed from default, like font, appearance, auto-redraw, maxbutton, minbutton and the windows state is Normal. The form, on the development machine with a res of 1024 x 768 is at screen width in size and eyeballs at abt 7/8 of the screen in height. I thought maybe that had something to do with it, but I just received some screenshots from a tester running a higher res where it doesn't come near filling her screen, and they don't display there either. All of my other forms have them and they display, with the exception of the About form. I assumed the About form would show them too if I set them to True, but .... no ... they won't show there either. That tells me that there is a "something" that results in the subject buttons not displaying. But what is it? Any requests for further info will be quickly responded to. I don't even know what else to suggest about the program right now other than I don't use any pictures. Any leads, comments or help along the lines of getting my Min/Max buttons back for the main form would be most appreciated. TIA, Pop` Check the form's border state. The min/max/close buttons only appear on
forms that have a BorderStyle of 2. "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:e75%i.6324$Y32.4513@trnddc04...Hi, I don't know if I have a "Problem" or just a "problem", but I have a form that's missing the Minimize and Maximize buttons up in the top right corner, next to the "X" to close it. Both Min/Max properties are set to True in the Properties window. A few other properties have been changed from default, like font, appearance, auto-redraw, maxbutton, minbutton and the windows state is Normal. The form, on the development machine with a res of 1024 x 768 is at screen width in size and eyeballs at abt 7/8 of the screen in height. I thought maybe that had something to do with it, but I just received some screenshots from a tester running a higher res where it doesn't come near filling her screen, and they don't display there either. All of my other forms have them and they display, with the exception of the About form. I assumed the About form would show them too if I set them to True, but .... no ... they won't show there either. That tells me that there is a "something" that results in the subject buttons not displaying. But what is it? Any requests for further info will be quickly responded to. I don't even know what else to suggest about the program right now other than I don't use any pictures. Any leads, comments or help along the lines of getting my Min/Max buttons back for the main form would be most appreciated. TIA, Pop` Randy Birch wrote:
> Check the form's border state. The min/max/close buttons only appear Thanks, Larry; that's precisely what I just discovered by comparing a virgin > on forms that have a BorderStyle of 2. form to mine. I didn't know it was "only" style 2 though 'cause I jumped right over here to post a "solved" post; interesting! I'll have to look closer at what's up now and see what I can see. Best Regards, Pop` I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board.
"Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:e75%i.6324$Y32.4513@trnddc04...Show quote | Hi, | | I don't know if I have a "Problem" or just a "problem", but I have a form | that's missing the Minimize and Maximize buttons up in the top right corner, | next to the "X" to close it. | Both Min/Max properties are set to True in the Properties window. A few | other properties have been changed from default, like font, appearance, | auto-redraw, maxbutton, minbutton and the windows state is Normal. | | The form, on the development machine with a res of 1024 x 768 is at screen | width in size and eyeballs at abt 7/8 of the screen in height. I thought | maybe that had something to do with it, but I just received some screenshots | from a tester running a higher res where it doesn't come near filling her | screen, and they don't display there either. | All of my other forms have them and they display, with the exception of | the About form. | I assumed the About form would show them too if I set them to True, but | ... no ... they won't show there either. That tells me that there is a | "something" that results in the subject buttons not displaying. But what is | it? | | Any requests for further info will be quickly responded to. I don't even | know what else to suggest about the program right now other than I don't use | any pictures. | | Any leads, comments or help along the lines of getting my Min/Max buttons | back for the main form would be most appreciated. | | TIA, | | Pop` | | On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:27:10 -0500, "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> in <eJYwxg$JIHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> wrote: >I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. Unfortunately, that's how they already see this group.--- Stefan Berglund "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message Yeah, this board should be for the high brow discussions likenews:eJYwxg$JIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. > How many spaces should you indent per level? Is it good to use continuation characters on declarations? Does the & go on the end of the previous line, or the beginning of the next line? ....
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"Steve Gerrard" <mynameh***@comcast.net> wrote in message Weighty subjects indeed. But they pale in comparison to the feasiblilty ofnews:ELudnUZt9pbyz6DanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message > news:eJYwxg$JIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > >I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. > > > > Yeah, this board should be for the high brow discussions like > How many spaces should you indent per level? > Is it good to use continuation characters on declarations? > Does the & go on the end of the previous line, or the beginning of the next > line? > .... of Exit For/Do, GoSub, and Select Case True. [Hungarian notation should receive honorable mention.] -ralph .... or "should I use End?"
Show quote "Ralph" <nt_consultin***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:eTNMI4EKIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > "Steve Gerrard" <mynameh***@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:ELudnUZt9pbyz6DanZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message >> news:eJYwxg$JIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. >> > >> >> Yeah, this board should be for the high brow discussions like >> How many spaces should you indent per level? >> Is it good to use continuation characters on declarations? >> Does the & go on the end of the previous line, or the beginning of >> the > next >> line? >> .... > > Weighty subjects indeed. But they pale in comparison to the feasiblilty of > of Exit For/Do, GoSub, and Select Case True. > > [Hungarian notation should receive honorable mention.] > > -ralph > > Kevin Provance wrote:
> I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. A beginner's "group" might be a reasonable thought but myself I dislike boards (archaic) and forums and all their goo in favor of newsgroups. I won't hold my breath though; MS isnt' likely to support anything further for a "dead" language. Besides, if my posts bother you, just don't read them. I don't morph names as some do and seldom are my posts more than one or two come-backs long. Actually, a kill-file might work well for you in this case considering the thread-length of my posts. For every advanced user/poster there was previously a beginner. Today's beginners are also tomorrow's advanced users; some might find that disturbing. And where does beginner end and intermediate endstart? Etc. MS just doesn't/can't care about such things. If you want to close your community, there are better ways to do it. Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines. I won't hold my breath for that one either. Pop` Pop` wrote:
> Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of Anyone who goes by "Pop" really oughta know better than that... <g>> using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of > irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines. | Anyone who goes by "Pop" really oughta know better than that... <g> You're assuming that the term implies paterfamilias. It may in fact be another term of bubbly...like soda. Kevin Provance wrote:
>> Anyone who goes by "Pop" really oughta know better than that... <g> Actually, it's a play on words. My last name means "rivet". So ... > > You're assuming that the term implies paterfamilias. It may in fact > be another term of bubbly...like soda. pop-rivet? I married a cherry-rivet, ... and so on; no need to list it all here. There's a long inside story related to it. Sorry if it offends anyone; I've had it for too many years to quit using it. Besides, a name is a name ... . I've seen much worse used. Or is the implication that I should use my real name? I would, except that I am an avid and very active spam fighter, have been for years, and there are many spammers who would just love to make a good connection to me, mostly because I won't change my monicker as much as the grief we've caused them. Pop` Pop` wrote:
> Or is the implication that I should use my real name? All I was suggesting was that, to me, your moniker connotes a bit of an old-fogey self-image. /Not that there's anything wrong with that!/ > /Not that there's anything wrong with that!/ <g>Karl E. Peterson wrote:
> Pop` wrote: Hmm, interesting; I've noticed more of that here than any other place I've >> Or is the implication that I should use my real name? > > All I was suggesting was that, to me, your moniker connotes a bit of > an old-fogey self-image. > > /Not that there's anything wrong with that!/ been to. But then this is probably the most professional and lucid group I frequent, too. There is definitely a psychology to names, I know that. Since I see more and more such references, perhaps I will think about a change; not sure. I do have another I've been tempted to use but not very seriously. If you suddenly see a Twayne, that'll be me. I can hear the uproar from some people now. Actually you can call me about anything 'cept late fer dinner<g>. Cheers, Pop`/Twayne` Pop` wrote:
Show quote > Karl E. Peterson wrote: So you're saying you're *not* the doddering old codger you've led us all to >> Pop` wrote: >>> Or is the implication that I should use my real name? >> >> All I was suggesting was that, to me, your moniker connotes a bit of >> an old-fogey self-image. >> >> /Not that there's anything wrong with that!/ > > Hmm, interesting; I've noticed more of that here than any other place I've > been to. But then this is probably the most professional and lucid group I > frequent, too. There is definitely a psychology to names, I know that. > Since I see more and more such references, perhaps I will think about a > change; not sure. believe?!? <g> > I do have another I've been tempted to use but not very 'k by me, not that that matters.> seriously. If you suddenly see a Twayne, that'll be me. I can hear the > uproar from some people now. > Actually you can call me about anything 'cept I hear that.> late fer dinner<g>. Karl E. Peterson wrote:
Show quote > Pop` wrote: Lol, well everything being relative, probably not THAT old! I'm not sure >> Karl E. Peterson wrote: >>> Pop` wrote: >>>> Or is the implication that I should use my real name? >>> >>> All I was suggesting was that, to me, your moniker connotes a bit of >>> an old-fogey self-image. >>> >>> /Not that there's anything wrong with that!/ >> >> Hmm, interesting; I've noticed more of that here than any other >> place I've been to. But then this is probably the most professional >> and lucid group I frequent, too. There is definitely a psychology >> to names, I know that. Since I see more and more such references, >> perhaps I will think about a change; not sure. > > So you're saying you're *not* the doddering old codger you've led us > all to believe?!? <g> what "led" you to believe that, unless it was early on when I was just starting and learning who's who. I am "retired" but it's because of a disability not because I reached the magic SS age of 66 or 67, whatever it is these days. It gets to be a long story that I won't bore you with so suffice it to say I HATE being housebound and would much rather be healthy enough to work. Cheers, Poprivet Show quote > >> I do have another I've been tempted to use but not very >> seriously. If you suddenly see a Twayne, that'll be me. I can hear >> the uproar from some people now. > > 'k by me, not that that matters > >> Actually you can call me about anything 'cept >> late fer dinner<g>. > > I hear that. > suffice it to say I HATE being housebound and would much rather be healthy enough to work. Oh, you're housebound too? I'm not QUITE, but close enough due to balance problems for the last 1.5 years that no one's been able to clearly diagnose. What's made you housebound? Rob "Robert Morley" <rmor***@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message Did acoustic neuroma make the list of suspects? The reason I ask is because I news:uYJ$dFaKIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> suffice it to say I HATE being housebound and would much rather be healthy >> enough to work. > > Oh, you're housebound too? I'm not QUITE, but close enough due to balance > problems for the last 1.5 years that no one's been able to clearly diagnose. have one, if you want more info on them just ask. If you haven't had an MRI, and other things have been eliminated, then maybe.... I'm pretty sure acoustic neuroma was considered and rejected. I asked if an MRI was warranted, but the ENT didn't seem to think so.
The confusing things about my condition are that (a) there's neurological symptoms (weakness/sense of moving wrong), and (b) there's very clear vestibular symptoms (tinnitus, minute amounts of fluid in the ears), but they're continuous, NOT episodic, and (c) all symptoms are getting better very slowly over time. In most peoples' books, (a) and (b) are contradictory, as are (a) and (c). At some point, I'll ask for a referral to a neurologist as well. Thank the gods I live in Canada! :-) Rob Show quote "Steve Gerrard" <mynameh***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:bomdnXkmDu0PUKLanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "Robert Morley" <rmor***@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message news:uYJ$dFaKIHA.4948@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> suffice it to say I HATE being housebound and would much rather be healthy enough to work. >> >> Oh, you're housebound too? I'm not QUITE, but close enough due to balance problems for the last 1.5 years that no one's been >> able to clearly diagnose. > > Did acoustic neuroma make the list of suspects? The reason I ask is because I have one, if you want more info on them just ask. If > you haven't had an MRI, and other things have been eliminated, then maybe.... "Robert Morley" <rmor***@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message an MRI was warranted, but the ENT didn't seem to think so.news:O9WgwdaKIHA.5788@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I'm pretty sure acoustic neuroma was considered and rejected. I asked if > symptoms (weakness/sense of moving wrong), and (b) there's> The confusing things about my condition are that (a) there's neurological > very clear vestibular symptoms (tinnitus, minute amounts of fluid in the ears), but they're continuous, NOT episodic, and (c) all> symptoms are getting better very slowly over time. In most peoples' books, (a) and (b) are contradictory, as are (a) and (c).> the gods I live in Canada! :-)> At some point, I'll ask for a referral to a neurologist as well. Thank > One can certainly understand one's patriotism, And your illness isabsolutely none of my business. But there is a reason MRIs, as well as other newer technologies, are seldom recommended in Canada. Consider that there are more MRI machines in Detroit than all of Canada. Get yourself south of the border. -ralph Patriotism isn't the word I'd use, as I have an aversion to patriotism, but I suppose it came out that way, so that's my bad.
In any event, free medical care aside, I'm not at all surprised by the idea that there would be more MRI machines in Detroit than all of Canada. Although I believe we have a private medical clinic or two up here too with their own MRIs. Our politicians just sweep those under the rug when talking about public medical care (and even more so, the fact that they're the ones getting private medical care!). However it has to happen, I'm going to push for an MRI or head-CT with whomever I see next. I've had quite enough of this thing, and the fact that nobody knows what it is, and therefore how to treat it, is the worst part. Oh, while we're so badly off-topic anyway, I'm curious...you spell your name with a capital in your "From" name, but always lower-case in your signature. Is there one that you prefer? Rob Show quote "Ralph" <nt_consultin***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ONTmmwaKIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > One can certainly understand one's patriotism, And your illness is > absolutely none of my business. But there is a reason MRIs, as well as other > newer technologies, are seldom recommended in Canada. Consider that there > are more MRI machines in Detroit than all of Canada. > > Get yourself south of the border. > > -ralph "Robert Morley" <rmor***@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message but I suppose it came out that way, so that's my bad.news:%23qOQcVhKIHA.280@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Patriotism isn't the word I'd use, as I have an aversion to patriotism, > idea that there would be more MRI machines in Detroit than> In any event, free medical care aside, I'm not at all surprised by the > all of Canada. Although I believe we have a private medical clinic or two up here too with their own MRIs. Our politicians just> sweep those under the rug when talking about public medical care (and even more so, the fact that they're the ones getting private> medical care!). whomever I see next. I've had quite enough of this thing,> > However it has to happen, I'm going to push for an MRI or head-CT with > and the fact that nobody knows what it is, and therefore how to treat it, is the worst part.> name with a capital in your "From" name, but always> Oh, while we're so badly off-topic anyway, I'm curious...you spell your > lower-case in your signature. Is there one that you prefer? Well it is Sunday. Weekends have traditionally been lax in terms of Topic.> As for the "ralph", I don't think I ever noticed the difference in case. I'm just "R/ralph". <g> Your adversion to 'Patriotism' is unfathomable to me as I carry patriotism to the point of jingoism. Which even I have wondered about as more than half of my career has been with foreign companies (French, Greek, German, Mexico, British, New Zealand, and Canadian). They always seemed to like me. Perhaps because I satisfy their preconceptions of the Ugly American and thus allow them to be more comfortable with themselves. <g> You HAVE to take control of your medical care. It is a simple matter of mathematics. No matter how conscientious a provider might be - you are only one of three hundred. Such lay second-guessing was perhaps counter-productive back in the day, but with tools like the internet one can easly become quite informed with one's own condition. I have also found that doctors today don't mind the involvement like they used to. They see it less of an intrusion and more as an aid. However, it has to be informed and few like direct confrontation - you have to be subtle. <g> Something else to checkout while on line. If you find a particular doctor or clinic that appears to be doing a lot of work in a particular area or machinery you might contact them. While you usually have to pay for your own transportation and lodging, if you have something interesting, the examinations and tests are often free. Anyway, I wish you well. -ralph "Ralph" <nt_consultin***@yahoo.com> wrote in message You are right, it is in the math. Not only are you 1 patient of 300, you may news:ORcwPciKIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > You HAVE to take control of your medical care. It is a simple matter of > mathematics. No matter how conscientious a provider might be - you are only > one of three hundred. Such lay second-guessing was perhaps > counter-productive back in the day, but with tools like the internet one can > easly become quite informed with one's own condition. I have also found that > doctors today don't mind the involvement like they used to. They see it less > of an intrusion and more as an aid. However, it has to be informed and few > like direct confrontation - you have to be subtle. <g> > have 1 condition of 50 that occur in the field of specialty. Acoustic neuromas, for instance, have a rate of about 1 per 100,000 per year. In a city of 5 million, that's about 1 a week, distributed over all the ENTs in that city. Guess what? AN is not at the top of their list, and they don't spend very much time reading up on it or researching it. So yes, you do have to take control of your medical care. You can't make yourself a doctor, but you can do the leg work, find the information, find doctors with expertise on specific conditions and treatments, and work with administrators of health care systems to get the care you believe you need. Being a squeaky wheel will definitely increase the flow of grease. :) Robert Morley wrote:
>> suffice it to say I HATE being housebound and would much rather be Mostly it's 24/7 pain in the simplest sense with preceptor issues (loss of >> healthy enough to work. > > Oh, you're housebound too? I'm not QUITE, but close enough due to > balance problems for the last 1.5 years that no one's been able to > clearly diagnose. What's made you housebound? > > Rob position in space) and the typical side efffects of meds. No guarantee of spelling accuracy, but caused by Degenerative Joint Disease, Osteo-arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, spondylosios?, root nerve compression in my upper spine, sacro-something and a few other things. Had it since I was a kid as it turned out; just no one ever diagnosed it until it got bad. Then a few years back I suffered a brain concussion that caused the learning disability I'm fighting now and improving on I'm proud to say. Sorry; didn't mean to make that so long. The preceptor thing =can= be funny at times; I'll be ambling along down a hallway at the Doc's for instance, and then for no reason, suddenly turn a 90 and walk right blank into the wall! It's always a right turn for some reason<g>. I walk with a crutch for balance reasons and the preceptor thing; it keeps me from doing that. I tried a cane but Doc had me switch to the cane and it stopped the preceptor problems somehow. Leaning on it every other step I guess, helps me stay oriented. Best of luck with your issues, too. Sometimes the hardest part of these things is figuring out what they are so they can be treated. As long as we have our sense of humor and periods when we're lucid enough one can overcome or at least accept anything. Regards, Pop` Wow. I'll take what I've got over what you've got any day! :-)
Best of luck with what you're going through as well. I can't imagine it's all that fun for you. Rob Show quote "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:DQZ%i.8208$xt5.3849@trnddc07... > > Mostly it's 24/7 pain in the simplest sense with preceptor issues (loss of > position in space) and the typical side efffects of meds. No guarantee of > spelling accuracy, but caused by Degenerative Joint Disease, > Osteo-arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, spondylosios?, root nerve compression > in my upper spine, sacro-something and a few other things. Had it since I > was a kid as it turned out; just no one ever diagnosed it until it got bad. > Then a few years back I suffered a brain concussion that caused the learning > disability I'm fighting now and improving on I'm proud to say. > > Sorry; didn't mean to make that so long. The preceptor thing =can= be funny > at times; I'll be ambling along down a hallway at the Doc's for instance, > and then for no reason, suddenly turn a 90 and walk right blank into the > wall! It's always a right turn for some reason<g>. I walk with a crutch > for balance reasons and the preceptor thing; it keeps me from doing that. > I tried a cane but Doc had me switch to the cane and it stopped the > preceptor problems somehow. Leaning on it every other step I guess, helps > me stay oriented. > > Best of luck with your issues, too. Sometimes the hardest part of these > things is figuring out what they are so they can be treated. As long as we > have our sense of humor and periods when we're lucid enough one can overcome > or at least accept anything. > > Regards, > > Pop` > > Robert Morley wrote:
> Wow. I'll take what I've got over what you've got any day! :-) As you should, of course. A lot of it's attitude, and keeping a sense of humor. Here's a tip you can likely use: When the depression hits too hard, just take a quick look around you; there's lots of people worse off so there are still blessings to count. I also firmly believe that life is as good as one makes it, regardless of their environment/whatever. That means basically counting the "can do" stuff and not the "can't do" crap. e.g., there are good days and not so good days, not good and bad days. Attitude can often win out as long as one can still see a future. It does take changing one's life goals is all. At least I never consider the "s" word any longer. Sooo, let's go see what's up in the VB groups! Dunno about you, but I find this group informative in so many ways it still occasionally amazes me. Cheers & all that goody-goody stuff, Pop` aka Poprivet <snipped> "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:8v10j.15760$V74.15160@trnddc02...Show quote > Robert Morley wrote: Introspection, no matter how lofty, is usually counter-productive for> > Wow. I'll take what I've got over what you've got any day! :-) > > As you should, of course. A lot of it's attitude, and keeping a sense of > humor. Here's a tip you can likely use: When the depression hits too hard, > just take a quick look around you; there's lots of people worse off so there > are still blessings to count. I also firmly believe that life is as good as > one makes it, regardless of their environment/whatever. That means > basically counting the "can do" stuff and not the "can't do" crap. e.g., > there are good days and not so good days, not good and bad days. Attitude > can often win out as long as one can still see a future. It does take > changing one's life goals is all. At least I never consider the "s" word > any longer. > > Sooo, let's go see what's up in the VB groups! Dunno about you, but I find > this group informative in so many ways it still occasionally amazes me. > > Cheers & all that goody-goody stuff, > > Pop` aka Poprivet > depression. The best cure is to break something. The larger the object and the more spectacular the breakage the better. If housebound and you have to keep actual destruction down to a minimum, you might check out the following ... http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp?cmc=HOME_PAGE&pn=3053199&bhcd2=1195420754 It is particularly fun with unsuspecting cats. -ralph <g> I have *got* to get one of those! I have a cat who's absolutely obsessed with watching my monitor...in such a way that his body
covers about 1/3 of the viewing area. It's very annoying. I have to deliberately leave my desk highly cluttered to keep him away from it. Rob Show quote "Ralph" <nt_consultin***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OsJGUniKIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > Introspection, no matter how lofty, is usually counter-productive for > depression. The best cure is to break something. The larger the object and > the more spectacular the breakage the better. > > If housebound and you have to keep actual destruction down to a minimum, you > might check out the following ... > http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp?cmc=HOME_PAGE&pn=3053199&bhcd2=1195420754 > > It is particularly fun with unsuspecting cats. > > -ralph > <g> > > "Robert Morley" <rmor***@magma.ca.N0.Freak1n.sparn> wrote in message with watching my monitor...in such a way that his bodynews:%23Z$ck2iKIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > I have *got* to get one of those! I have a cat who's absolutely obsessed > covers about 1/3 of the viewing area. It's very annoying. I have to deliberately leave my desk highly cluttered to keep him away> from it. I have found that an Air Horn work pretty well. Cats hate loud noises and> quickly associate areas or actions with noise. Marbles in a metal can works too. Also setting traps helps them to learn to keep away even when I'm not around. The traps are simple enough. Get an old-fashion mouse trap, set it, and place it upside down under a piece of paper or magazine. The only problem is they tend to do collateral damage while "getting away". <g> -ralph You guys need to take this diatribe to email. This is a MS newgroups, not a
support forum for your various ills. Since you're all high and mighty about useless crap being indexed to Google, imagine how many folks looking for legimate answers for their programming issues will have to sift through this non pertinent information...and since you're all big on respecting other folks, show some for the folks who search through Google looking for answers and having to waste time reading about your personal lives. One or two OT posts, fine...but this is a whole thread...and frankly, why we have email. Where do you think me and other folks vent about the lot of you hijacking this board with irrelevancy? Eh? Privately! So, dont be hippocates and show the respect you preach about from your pedestal and follow your own guildines about off topic posting. Thanks in advance. :-) "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:8v10j.15760$V74.15160@trnddc02...Show quote | Robert Morley wrote: | > Wow. I'll take what I've got over what you've got any day! :-) | | As you should, of course. A lot of it's attitude, and keeping a sense of | humor. Here's a tip you can likely use: When the depression hits too hard, | just take a quick look around you; there's lots of people worse off so there | are still blessings to count. I also firmly believe that life is as good as | one makes it, regardless of their environment/whatever. That means | basically counting the "can do" stuff and not the "can't do" crap. e.g., | there are good days and not so good days, not good and bad days. Attitude | can often win out as long as one can still see a future. It does take | changing one's life goals is all. At least I never consider the "s" word | any longer. | | Sooo, let's go see what's up in the VB groups! Dunno about you, but I find | this group informative in so many ways it still occasionally amazes me. | | Cheers & all that goody-goody stuff, | | Pop` aka Poprivet | | | <snipped> | | Actually, I *have* had some of this go private. :-)
Rob Show quote "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message news:%23$xpKJjKIHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > You guys need to take this diatribe to email. This is a MS newgroups, not a > support forum for your various ills. Since you're all high and mighty about > useless crap being indexed to Google, imagine how many folks looking for > legimate answers for their programming issues will have to sift through this > non pertinent information...and since you're all big on respecting other > folks, show some for the folks who search through Google looking for answers > and having to waste time reading about your personal lives. One or two OT > posts, fine...but this is a whole thread...and frankly, why we have email. > Where do you think me and other folks vent about the lot of you hijacking > this board with irrelevancy? Eh? Privately! So, dont be hippocates and > show the respect you preach about from your pedestal and follow your own > guildines about off topic posting. > > Thanks in advance. :-) Karl E. Peterson wrote:
> Pop` wrote: ? Know better than what? I only recall mentioning a very unlikely to come >> Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the >> netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a >> useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the >> Subject lines. > > Anyone who goes by "Pop" really oughta know better than that... <g> about wish. Cheers, Pop` wrote:
> Karl E. Peterson wrote: Bad joke? "Pop" says to me, "been around" awhile. Naivete presumably a distant >> Pop` wrote: >>> Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the >>> netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a >>> useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the >>> Subject lines. >> >> Anyone who goes by "Pop" really oughta know better than that... <g> > > ? Know better than what? I only recall mentioning a very unlikely to come > about wish. recollection. blah blah blah. Bite me. (Karl, I'll compensate you for the use of that
later) Speaking of Googling...maybe it's something you ought to consider before posting such basic questions. Not only would you find your answer quicker on some beginner's site (or ::gasp:: the Google archive), but you'd stop contributing to, how did you put it, " I wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines". Considering basic question like this one have been answered several times over, but you'd be saving a lot of time for people who are looking for their answer from short essays of useless and irrelevant drivel. You don't seem to understand that you contrtibute greatly to that "mass of irrelevant posting" with the endless babbling of your personal history and self-indulgent posts. IOW, Pot...meet Kettle. "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:CWk%i.309$oL5.227@trnddc05...Show quote | Kevin Provance wrote: | > I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. | | A beginner's "group" might be a reasonable thought but myself I dislike | boards (archaic) and forums and all their goo in favor of newsgroups. I | won't hold my breath though; MS isnt' likely to support anything further for | a "dead" language. | | Besides, if my posts bother you, just don't read them. I don't morph names | as some do and seldom are my posts more than one or two come-backs long. | Actually, a kill-file might work well for you in this case considering the | thread-length of my posts. | | For every advanced user/poster there was previously a beginner. Today's | beginners are also tomorrow's advanced users; some might find that | disturbing. And where does beginner end and intermediate endstart? Etc. | MS just doesn't/can't care about such things. | If you want to close your community, there are better ways to do it. | | Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of | using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of | irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines. I won't | hold my breath for that one either. | | | | Pop` | | | Speaking of pot meet kettle; that's a classic move on your own part.
I'll not continue this trash talk with you because I'm growing bored with your ego and lack of respect for many things and people other than those you wish to suckle. While I could respond to each and every point you attempt to raise, and with validity, I can tell it'd fall on a closed mind so there's nothing to discuss or debate in any fashion with a person such as yourself. Pop` Kevin Provance wrote: Show quote > blah blah blah. Bite me. (Karl, I'll compensate you for the use of > that later) > > Speaking of Googling...maybe it's something you ought to consider > before posting such basic questions. Not only would you find your > answer quicker on some beginner's site (or ::gasp:: the Google > archive), but you'd stop contributing to, how did you put it, " I > wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of using "OT" > so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of > irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines". > Considering basic question like this one have been answered several > times over, but you'd be saving a lot of time for people who are > looking for their answer from short essays of useless and irrelevant > drivel. You don't seem to understand that you contrtibute greatly to > that "mass of irrelevant posting" with the endless babbling of your > personal history and self-indulgent posts. > > IOW, Pot...meet Kettle. > > "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message > news:CWk%i.309$oL5.227@trnddc05... >> Kevin Provance wrote: >>> I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. >> >> A beginner's "group" might be a reasonable thought but myself I >> dislike boards (archaic) and forums and all their goo in favor of >> newsgroups. I won't hold my breath though; MS isnt' likely to >> support anything further for a "dead" language. >> >> Besides, if my posts bother you, just don't read them. I don't >> morph names as some do and seldom are my posts more than one or two >> come-backs long. Actually, a kill-file might work well for you in >> this case considering the thread-length of my posts. >> >> For every advanced user/poster there was previously a beginner. >> Today's beginners are also tomorrow's advanced users; some might >> find that disturbing. And where does beginner end and intermediate >> endstart? Etc. MS just doesn't/can't care about such things. >> If you want to close your community, there are better ways to do >> it. >> >> Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the >> netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a >> useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the >> Subject lines. I won't hold my breath for that one either. >> >> >> >> Pop` Kudos. It's been a long time since I've seen "It'd" written out!
"Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:QCo%i.2136$V74.1396@trnddc02...Speaking of pot meet kettle; that's a classic move on your own part. I'll not continue this trash talk with you because I'm growing bored with your ego and lack of respect for many things and people other than those you wish to suckle. While I could respond to each and every point you attempt to raise, and with validity, I can tell it'd fall on a closed mind so there's nothing to discuss or debate in any fashion with a person such as yourself. Pop` Kevin Provance wrote: Show quote > blah blah blah. Bite me. (Karl, I'll compensate you for the use of > that later) > > Speaking of Googling...maybe it's something you ought to consider > before posting such basic questions. Not only would you find your > answer quicker on some beginner's site (or ::gasp:: the Google > archive), but you'd stop contributing to, how did you put it, " I > wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of using "OT" > so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of > irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines". > Considering basic question like this one have been answered several > times over, but you'd be saving a lot of time for people who are > looking for their answer from short essays of useless and irrelevant > drivel. You don't seem to understand that you contrtibute greatly to > that "mass of irrelevant posting" with the endless babbling of your > personal history and self-indulgent posts. > > IOW, Pot...meet Kettle. > > "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message > news:CWk%i.309$oL5.227@trnddc05... >> Kevin Provance wrote: >>> I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. >> >> A beginner's "group" might be a reasonable thought but myself I >> dislike boards (archaic) and forums and all their goo in favor of >> newsgroups. I won't hold my breath though; MS isnt' likely to >> support anything further for a "dead" language. >> >> Besides, if my posts bother you, just don't read them. I don't >> morph names as some do and seldom are my posts more than one or two >> come-backs long. Actually, a kill-file might work well for you in >> this case considering the thread-length of my posts. >> >> For every advanced user/poster there was previously a beginner. >> Today's beginners are also tomorrow's advanced users; some might >> find that disturbing. And where does beginner end and intermediate >> endstart? Etc. MS just doesn't/can't care about such things. >> If you want to close your community, there are better ways to do >> it. >> >> Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the >> netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a >> useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the >> Subject lines. I won't hold my breath for that one either. >> >> >> >> Pop` Hee, hee, I missed that, nice catch. It'd be a pleasure to see it again. :)
Show quote "Randy Birch" <rgb_removet***@mvps.org> wrote in message news:%23geMVaKKIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Kudos. It's been a long time since I've seen "It'd" written out! > > "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message > news:QCo%i.2136$V74.1396@trnddc02... > Speaking of pot meet kettle; that's a classic move on your own part. > > I'll not continue this trash talk with you because I'm growing bored with > your ego and lack of respect for many things and people other than those you > wish to suckle. While I could respond to each and every point you attempt > to raise, and with validity, I can tell it'd fall on a closed mind so > there's nothing to discuss or debate in any fashion with a person such as > yourself. > > Pop` > My mind is way open and I can debate with the best of them. However, I
don't fine you to be my intellectual equal, which you have proven many times over with your lack of common sense. You've even admitted to being a dolt on more than one occasion. Just another self entitle old coot who thinks respect is demanded simply because you've lived as long as Jesus. Big whoops. A douche bag is still a douche bag regardless of how old it is. "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:QCo%i.2136$V74.1396@trnddc02...Show quote | Speaking of pot meet kettle; that's a classic move on your own part. | | I'll not continue this trash talk with you because I'm growing bored with | your ego and lack of respect for many things and people other than those you | wish to suckle. While I could respond to each and every point you attempt | to raise, and with validity, I can tell it'd fall on a closed mind so | there's nothing to discuss or debate in any fashion with a person such as | yourself. | | Pop` | | | | Kevin Provance wrote: | > blah blah blah. Bite me. (Karl, I'll compensate you for the use of | > that later) | > | > Speaking of Googling...maybe it's something you ought to consider | > before posting such basic questions. Not only would you find your | > answer quicker on some beginner's site (or ::gasp:: the Google | > archive), but you'd stop contributing to, how did you put it, " I | > wish more people on groups would learn the netiquette of using "OT" | > so they don't make Googling archives into a useless mass of | > irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the Subject lines". | > Considering basic question like this one have been answered several | > times over, but you'd be saving a lot of time for people who are | > looking for their answer from short essays of useless and irrelevant | > drivel. You don't seem to understand that you contrtibute greatly to | > that "mass of irrelevant posting" with the endless babbling of your | > personal history and self-indulgent posts. | > | > IOW, Pot...meet Kettle. | > | > "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message | > news:CWk%i.309$oL5.227@trnddc05... | >> Kevin Provance wrote: | >>> I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. | >> | >> A beginner's "group" might be a reasonable thought but myself I | >> dislike boards (archaic) and forums and all their goo in favor of | >> newsgroups. I won't hold my breath though; MS isnt' likely to | >> support anything further for a "dead" language. | >> | >> Besides, if my posts bother you, just don't read them. I don't | >> morph names as some do and seldom are my posts more than one or two | >> come-backs long. Actually, a kill-file might work well for you in | >> this case considering the thread-length of my posts. | >> | >> For every advanced user/poster there was previously a beginner. | >> Today's beginners are also tomorrow's advanced users; some might | >> find that disturbing. And where does beginner end and intermediate | >> endstart? Etc. MS just doesn't/can't care about such things. | >> If you want to close your community, there are better ways to do | >> it. | >> | >> Now for my wish: I wish more people on groups would learn the | >> netiquette of using "OT" so they don't make Googling archives into a | >> useless mass of irrelevant postings having nothing to do with the | >> Subject lines. I won't hold my breath for that one either. | >> | >> | >> | >> Pop` | | | "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message "Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong."news:u0cVy6KKIHA.4688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > My mind is way open and I can debate with the best of them. However, I > don't fine you to be my intellectual equal, which you have proven many times > over with your lack of common sense. You've even admitted to being a dolt > on more than one occasion. Just another self entitle old coot who thinks > respect is demanded simply because you've lived as long as Jesus. Big > whoops. A douche bag is still a douche bag regardless of how old it is. > - David Fasold (The discover of Noah's Ark) Why? If this is "too beginner" for you, you could always high-tail it over
to comp.lang for some stimulating discussions. <g> "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board.news:eJYwxg$JIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:e75%i.6324$Y32.4513@trnddc04...Show quote | Hi, | | I don't know if I have a "Problem" or just a "problem", but I have a form | that's missing the Minimize and Maximize buttons up in the top right corner, | next to the "X" to close it. | Both Min/Max properties are set to True in the Properties window. A few | other properties have been changed from default, like font, appearance, | auto-redraw, maxbutton, minbutton and the windows state is Normal. | | The form, on the development machine with a res of 1024 x 768 is at screen | width in size and eyeballs at abt 7/8 of the screen in height. I thought | maybe that had something to do with it, but I just received some screenshots | from a tester running a higher res where it doesn't come near filling her | screen, and they don't display there either. | All of my other forms have them and they display, with the exception of | the About form. | I assumed the About form would show them too if I set them to True, but | ... no ... they won't show there either. That tells me that there is a | "something" that results in the subject buttons not displaying. But what is | it? | | Any requests for further info will be quickly responded to. I don't even | know what else to suggest about the program right now other than I don't use | any pictures. | | Any leads, comments or help along the lines of getting my Min/Max buttons | back for the main form would be most appreciated. | | TIA, | | Pop` | | Eh...been there. Listening to children whine about whose got the bigger
tool grows old. Not very stimulating. Show quote "Randy Birch" <rgb_removet***@mvps.org> wrote in message news:eEXzMbKKIHA.5116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | Why? If this is "too beginner" for you, you could always high-tail it over | to comp.lang for some stimulating discussions. <g> | | -- | | | Randy Birch | http://vbnet.mvps.org/ | | Please respond to the newsgroups so all can benefit. | | | "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message | news:eJYwxg$JIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | I think we need to talk MS into creating a "beginners" board. | | "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message | news:e75%i.6324$Y32.4513@trnddc04... || Hi, || || I don't know if I have a "Problem" or just a "problem", but I have a form || that's missing the Minimize and Maximize buttons up in the top right | corner, || next to the "X" to close it. || Both Min/Max properties are set to True in the Properties window. A few || other properties have been changed from default, like font, appearance, || auto-redraw, maxbutton, minbutton and the windows state is Normal. || || The form, on the development machine with a res of 1024 x 768 is at screen || width in size and eyeballs at abt 7/8 of the screen in height. I thought || maybe that had something to do with it, but I just received some | screenshots || from a tester running a higher res where it doesn't come near filling her || screen, and they don't display there either. || All of my other forms have them and they display, with the exception of || the About form. || I assumed the About form would show them too if I set them to True, but || ... no ... they won't show there either. That tells me that there is a || "something" that results in the subject buttons not displaying. But what | is || it? || || Any requests for further info will be quickly responded to. I don't even || know what else to suggest about the program right now other than I don't | use || any pictures. || || Any leads, comments or help along the lines of getting my Min/Max buttons || back for the main form would be most appreciated. || || TIA, || || Pop` || || | | Larry???
-- Show quoteSteve Easton "Pop`" <nodoby@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:NA5%i.6332$Y32.6259@trnddc04... > Randy Birch wrote: >> Check the form's border state. The min/max/close buttons only appear >> on forms that have a BorderStyle of 2. > > Thanks, Larry; that's precisely what I just discovered by comparing a virgin form to mine. I didn't know it > was "only" style 2 though 'cause I jumped right over here to post a "solved" post; interesting! I'll have > to look closer at what's up now and see what I can see. > > Best Regards, > > Pop` > >  |
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