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Seriously OT: VistaWelp, I just got me a new lappy with Vista Ultimate. After almost a day of
exploring, all I can say is: wow. And that the UAS (or whatever it's called) is a *real* PITA!!! And if you turn it off, the bloody OS is constantly telling you are wrong for turning it off and you should turn it back on. It's a shame it doesn't operate more like ZoneAlarm and remember my actions so I don't have to answer it everytime I do the same thing over and over again. Aero is pretty nice once you get used to the flashiness of it all. When XP came out I turned Luna off so it would look more like Classic Windows...nice I can do the same thing in Vista (call me old fashioned). Anyways, I know...who cares, off topic...but I had to tell someone since I ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) - Kev "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message Yes. I gave up trying to live with it very quickly. If I get burned by a news:O45ipUPXHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Welp, I just got me a new lappy with Vista Ultimate. After almost a day > of > exploring, all I can say is: wow. And that the UAS (or whatever it's > called) is a *real* PITA!!! virus, I get burned. But I won't.... > And if you turn it off, the bloody OS is You can make it stop complaining about it. I'm not running Vista at the > constantly telling you are wrong for turning it off and you should turn it > back on. moment so I can't give you specifics, but I believe it's in the Security Center (or whatever it's called) if you dig around. Of course, telling Windows to stop bitching about it is "not recommended." Satisfying, though, especially because all through the betas you COULDN'T make it stop.
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news:%23Pky0TQXHHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message > news:O45ipUPXHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> Welp, I just got me a new lappy with Vista Ultimate. After almost a >> day of >> exploring, all I can say is: wow. And that the UAS (or whatever it's >> called) is a *real* PITA!!! > > Yes. I gave up trying to live with it very quickly. If I get burned > by a virus, I get burned. But I won't.... > >> And if you turn it off, the bloody OS is >> constantly telling you are wrong for turning it off and you should >> turn it back on. > > You can make it stop complaining about it. I'm not running Vista at > the moment so I can't give you specifics, but I believe it's in the > Security Center (or whatever it's called) if you dig around. Of > course, telling Windows to stop bitching about it is "not > recommended." Satisfying, though, especially because all through the > betas you COULDN'T make it stop. "What's more, Microsoft recently made it clear that it doesn't consider UAC a security feature, since it has deliberately left particular holes in the system for ease of use. That means bugs in UAC aren't security flaws, Microsoft says." ROTFL; the hairs being split just get finer and finer... -- Reply to the group so all can participate VB.Net: "Fool me once..." "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com>'s wild thoughts were released on Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:04:05 -0500 bearing thefollowing fruit: >Welp, I just got me a new lappy with Vista Ultimate. After almost a day of Thus negating the security gained by UAC.>exploring, all I can say is: wow. And that the UAS (or whatever it's >called) is a *real* PITA!!! And if you turn it off, the bloody OS is >constantly telling you are wrong for turning it off and you should turn it >back on. > >It's a shame it doesn't operate more like ZoneAlarm and remember my actions >so I don't have to answer it everytime I do the same thing over and over >again. It certainly is a PITA for those of use who perform admin functions a lot but really, I've learned to live with it. I deliberately left it on to see if I could get used to it or not. >Aero is pretty nice once you get used to the flashiness of it all. When XP Of the people I know in real life they all hated Vista from>came out I turned Luna off so it would look more like Classic Windows...nice >I can do the same thing in Vista (call me old fashioned). > >Anyways, I know...who cares, off topic...but I had to tell someone since I >ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) the start and now say they love it. UAC is still a matter for debate though :-) I must admit, I am really starting to get into Vista. I'm not ready to put
it on my main box, but so far aafter much tweaking and hacking, I've got it set up to do pretty much what I want it to do, much to MS's dismay. Basically, I have my logon, for me to fool around with, and a log on with least privlidges for programming purposes. It's woking out nice. Still, it would be nice is MS gave us an option to add programs or a "don't show this again for this program" to the UAC. Yes, I understand it defeats the purpose of security...but perhaps the trade off would be to only put that option on the UAC prompt for admins who know exactly what they are getting themselves into, vesus the agverage Joe user who does not. One of the things I've learned about designing programs over the years is that folks like options...and choices. MS kinda tied our hands by giving us the choice to turn UAC off on a global basis, versus user by user. But I'll save the details of that debate for the Vista groups. ;-) - Kev Show quoteHide quote "Jan Hyde" <StellaDrin***@REMOVE.ME.uboot.com> wrote in message news:96onu21ajqojv8ag2a1ccrs98kik7up769@4ax.com... | "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com>'s wild thoughts were | released on Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:04:05 -0500 bearing the | following fruit: | | >Welp, I just got me a new lappy with Vista Ultimate. After almost a day of | >exploring, all I can say is: wow. And that the UAS (or whatever it's | >called) is a *real* PITA!!! And if you turn it off, the bloody OS is | >constantly telling you are wrong for turning it off and you should turn it | >back on. | > | >It's a shame it doesn't operate more like ZoneAlarm and remember my actions | >so I don't have to answer it everytime I do the same thing over and over | >again. | | Thus negating the security gained by UAC. | | It certainly is a PITA for those of use who perform admin | functions a lot but really, I've learned to live with it. | | I deliberately left it on to see if I could get used to it | or not. | | >Aero is pretty nice once you get used to the flashiness of it all. When XP | >came out I turned Luna off so it would look more like Classic Windows...nice | >I can do the same thing in Vista (call me old fashioned). | > | >Anyways, I know...who cares, off topic...but I had to tell someone since I | >ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) | | Of the people I know in real life they all hated Vista from | the start and now say they love it. UAC is still a matter | for debate though :-) | | "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com>'s wild thoughts were released on Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:34:42 -0500 bearing thefollowing fruit: >I must admit, I am really starting to get into Vista. I'm not ready to put The point is most home users have one account and it's>it on my main box, but so far aafter much tweaking and hacking, I've got it >set up to do pretty much what I want it to do, much to MS's dismay. >Basically, I have my logon, for me to fool around with, and a log on with >least privlidges for programming purposes. It's woking out nice. > >Still, it would be nice is MS gave us an option to add programs or a "don't >show this again for this program" to the UAC. Yes, I understand it defeats >the purpose of security...but perhaps the trade off would be to only put >that option on the UAC prompt for admins who know exactly what they are >getting themselves into, vesus the agverage Joe user who does not. admin. UAC is there to protect them. If you allow what you propose then those users will do the same thing and thus defat UAC - however, since you can just switch UAC of anyway. I guess the moral of the story is that you just can't protect users from themselves :-) >One of I guess the moral of the story is that you just can't>the things I've learned about designing programs over the years is that >folks like options...and choices. MS kinda tied our hands by giving us the >choice to turn UAC off on a global basis, versus user by user. But I'll >save the details of that debate for the Vista groups. ;-) protect users from themselves :-) Show quoteHide quote >- Kev > >"Jan Hyde" <StellaDrin***@REMOVE.ME.uboot.com> wrote in message >news:96onu21ajqojv8ag2a1ccrs98kik7up769@4ax.com... >| "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com>'s wild thoughts were >| released on Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:04:05 -0500 bearing the >| following fruit: >| >| >Welp, I just got me a new lappy with Vista Ultimate. After almost a day >of >| >exploring, all I can say is: wow. And that the UAS (or whatever it's >| >called) is a *real* PITA!!! And if you turn it off, the bloody OS is >| >constantly telling you are wrong for turning it off and you should turn >it >| >back on. >| > >| >It's a shame it doesn't operate more like ZoneAlarm and remember my >actions >| >so I don't have to answer it everytime I do the same thing over and over >| >again. >| >| Thus negating the security gained by UAC. >| >| It certainly is a PITA for those of use who perform admin >| functions a lot but really, I've learned to live with it. >| >| I deliberately left it on to see if I could get used to it >| or not. >| >| >Aero is pretty nice once you get used to the flashiness of it all. When >XP >| >came out I turned Luna off so it would look more like Classic >Windows...nice >| >I can do the same thing in Vista (call me old fashioned). >| > >| >Anyways, I know...who cares, off topic...but I had to tell someone since >I >| >ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) >| >| Of the people I know in real life they all hated Vista from >| the start and now say they love it. UAC is still a matter >| for debate though :-) >| >| > Jan Hyde wrote:
> No ... the moral of the story is you can't just protect users from themselves.> I guess the moral of the story is that you just can't > protect users from themselves :-) > > > I guess the moral of the story is that you just can't > protect users from themselves :-) > Instead, you should design systems so that users are protected by the design. Though for windows, that cat has long ago left the bag, grown up, and had several litters of kittens and grand-kittens already. Bob -- "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message Maybe not in your neighborhood... but.... you'd be surprised.news:O45ipUPXHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > I ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) -- Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups.. In Loving Memory - http://www.vbsight.com/Remembrance.htm The median age of folks in my neighborhood is about 80. My refusal to get a
haircut has already labeled me as a "punk". I love it. ;-) Show quoteHide quote "Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OTuy%239BYHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message | news:O45ipUPXHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > | > I ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) | | Maybe not in your neighborhood... but.... you'd be surprised. | | | -- | Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups.. | In Loving Memory - http://www.vbsight.com/Remembrance.htm | | "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com>'s wild thoughts were released on Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:00:44 -0500 bearing thefollowing fruit: >The median age of folks in my neighborhood is about 80. My refusal to get a 1989 was my last haircut (and no, I'm not bald)>haircut has already labeled me as a "punk". J Show quoteHide quote > >I love it. ;-) > >"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:OTuy%239BYHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >| "Kevin Provance" <ca***@tpasoft.com> wrote in message >| news:O45ipUPXHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >| > >| > I ain't got no friends in real life. ;-) >| >| Maybe not in your neighborhood... but.... you'd be surprised. >| >| >| -- >| Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups.. >| In Loving Memory - http://www.vbsight.com/Remembrance.htm >| >| > Congratulations on your new Lappy Kevin, Frankly I could care less about
it. What I do care about is the five weeks I have been tring to get my wav man to work on my new Tower,monitor and my all in one, on NEW HP I have done everything I have been told to do. 1.Name 2.serial number 10792351 3. Which version I was using 4 if I knew my registration number I wouldn't be contacting you.That invalid registration number is (24427795) What I have done is delete all former versions of wavman and installed the 11.0 version. The problem now is that thirty day free trial has expired, and won't let me install the new version. Kevin, I have bee a loyal customer since 1996, I can't count the nmber of customers I have sent to you. They all contact me back, thanking me for turning them onto wav man. I registered for the 11.0 atabout 8:30, this morning and I still can't register my copy of wav man. Sincerely, Darrell Williams *** Sent via Developersdex http://www.developersdex.com *** 
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