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Author
12 May 2005 9:19 PM
Ben
Hi all,

I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
works very nicely for what I do.
Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to vb.net?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Ben

Author
12 May 2005 9:41 PM
Peter Aitken
"Ben" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
> works very nicely for what I do.
> Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
> I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to vb.net?
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>
> Ben
>
>

Boy are you asking for trouble! There has been a lot of discussion of this
very topic, not all of it friendly or well-informed. Search the archives for
this group for the past month or so and you'll get an earful. Be warned that
there are some .Net-haters who put it down every chance they get without
knowing whereof they speak. \

Fact is that VB6 and VB.Net (or VB 2005 as it is now called) are two very
different things. You cannot think of VB 2005 as an upgrade to VB6 in the
same way that VB6 was an upgrade to VB5. VB6 remains an active and relevant
tool with the one fly in the ointment being that MS has stopped supporting
it. What exactly this will mean, no one knows. Some doom-and-gloomsters are
predicting that MS will sabotage the operating system to intentionally break
VB6 apps and force people to move to .Net (this will be done by remote
control from Bill Gates's flying saucer, of course).

VB 2005 is a great tool with an amazing class library and true object
oriented capabilities. It's not that easy to learn, however. My approach has
been to stick with VB6 where appropriate and use .Net otherwise.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.
Author
13 May 2005 12:52 PM
Tony Proctor
Peter, without wishing to get into an argument on this subject, I feel your
stance here is simply diluting the real message, and obscuring the fact that
real commercial problems do exists. It's hard enough to get this message
across in the industry, and to MSFT in particular, without the message being
misconveyed like this.

I don't hate .Net! If there was a way we could move our huge code base
without having to double our resources, and without breaking our company,
then we would. The real issues come down to money, dollars, not technical
difficulty. I've "been around the block a few times", meaning I have the
experience to use any tool or language. However, we have a large,
non-trivial code base that has been tested, documented, and installed in a
significant customer base. We also have employees who's salaries have to be
paid, and competitors that we have to stay ahead of. Most small companies
'go under' anyway because it's difficult enough to get to this stage. Having
MSFT make it even more difficult is just so sad.

If you use .Net and you like it then great! Go in peace!. However, please
have sympathy for those of us who have a lot more worries on our shoulders
than simply 'which language do I like best'.

        Tony Proctor

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"Peter Aitken" <pait***@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Ben" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:uTUW$gzVFHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
> > works very nicely for what I do.
> > Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
> > I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to
vb.net?
> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
>
> Boy are you asking for trouble! There has been a lot of discussion of this
> very topic, not all of it friendly or well-informed. Search the archives
for
> this group for the past month or so and you'll get an earful. Be warned
that
> there are some .Net-haters who put it down every chance they get without
> knowing whereof they speak. \
>
> Fact is that VB6 and VB.Net (or VB 2005 as it is now called) are two very
> different things. You cannot think of VB 2005 as an upgrade to VB6 in the
> same way that VB6 was an upgrade to VB5. VB6 remains an active and
relevant
> tool with the one fly in the ointment being that MS has stopped supporting
> it. What exactly this will mean, no one knows. Some doom-and-gloomsters
are
> predicting that MS will sabotage the operating system to intentionally
break
> VB6 apps and force people to move to .Net (this will be done by remote
> control from Bill Gates's flying saucer, of course).
>
> VB 2005 is a great tool with an amazing class library and true object
> oriented capabilities. It's not that easy to learn, however. My approach
has
> been to stick with VB6 where appropriate and use .Net otherwise.
>
>
> --
> Peter Aitken
>
> Remove the crap from my email address before using.
>
>
Author
13 May 2005 8:40 PM
Casey Provance
Very well put Tony.  I'm right there with you in your regard.

- Kev
Author
13 May 2005 9:50 PM
Stefan Berglund
On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:52:18 +0100, "Tony Proctor"
<tony_proctor@aimtechnology_NoMoreSPAM_.com> wrote:
in <uCLyZq7VFHA.3***@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>

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>Peter, without wishing to get into an argument on this subject, I feel your
>stance here is simply diluting the real message, and obscuring the fact that
>real commercial problems do exists. It's hard enough to get this message
>across in the industry, and to MSFT in particular, without the message being
>misconveyed like this.
>
>I don't hate .Net! If there was a way we could move our huge code base
>without having to double our resources, and without breaking our company,
>then we would. The real issues come down to money, dollars, not technical
>difficulty. I've "been around the block a few times", meaning I have the
>experience to use any tool or language. However, we have a large,
>non-trivial code base that has been tested, documented, and installed in a
>significant customer base. We also have employees who's salaries have to be
>paid, and competitors that we have to stay ahead of. Most small companies
>'go under' anyway because it's difficult enough to get to this stage. Having
>MSFT make it even more difficult is just so sad.
>
>If you use .Net and you like it then great! Go in peace!. However, please
>have sympathy for those of us who have a lot more worries on our shoulders
>than simply 'which language do I like best'.
>
>        Tony Proctor

Well spoken, sir.  Thank You.


---
Stefan Berglund
Author
14 May 2005 5:49 PM
Peter Aitken
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"Stefan Berglund" <keepit@in.thegroups> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:52:18 +0100, "Tony Proctor"
> <tony_proctor@aimtechnology_NoMoreSPAM_.com> wrote:
> in <uCLyZq7VFHA.3***@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>
>
>>Peter, without wishing to get into an argument on this subject, I feel
>>your
>>stance here is simply diluting the real message, and obscuring the fact
>>that
>>real commercial problems do exists. It's hard enough to get this message
>>across in the industry, and to MSFT in particular, without the message
>>being
>>misconveyed like this.
>>
>>I don't hate .Net! If there was a way we could move our huge code base
>>without having to double our resources, and without breaking our company,
>>then we would. The real issues come down to money, dollars, not technical
>>difficulty. I've "been around the block a few times", meaning I have the
>>experience to use any tool or language. However, we have a large,
>>non-trivial code base that has been tested, documented, and installed in a
>>significant customer base. We also have employees who's salaries have to
>>be
>>paid, and competitors that we have to stay ahead of. Most small companies
>>'go under' anyway because it's difficult enough to get to this stage.
>>Having
>>MSFT make it even more difficult is just so sad.
>>
>>If you use .Net and you like it then great! Go in peace!. However, please
>>have sympathy for those of us who have a lot more worries on our shoulders
>>than simply 'which language do I like best'.
>>
>>        Tony Proctor
>
> Well spoken, sir.  Thank You.
>

I do not disagree with what you are saying. But as regards your and others'
huge code base - and it's a big but - all I have seen so far is a bunch of
fretting and hand waving about all the bad things that may happen in the
future. No one has provided the smallest shred of evidence that MS is doing
anything to cause problems with VB6 apps down the road. And please don't
bring up the terminally silly example of Format. Yes, there MAY be problems
down the road - and there MAY NOT! Many people are actively berating MS for
things that they are worried might happen. Get it - MIGHT?

I fail to see the commercial problems you are worried about. Maybe you can
explain. But I too have an installed VB6 code base and have yet to see the
slightest problem. I tell clients the situation and my opinion that their
VB6 apps will probably continue to work fine for many years but that I
cannot be sure because of MS. Then it is their decision whether to migrate
to .Net or not. They may be annoyed at the situation but not at me because
it is clearly not my doing.Either way I still have their business, either
continuing to maintain the existing apps or working on a .Net migration.
suppose it's theoretically possible that a client will get fed up and move
to Java or something, but that has yet to happen. As for competitors, they
are in the same boat as you.

Then there's the matter of .Net. Some people, including you, seem to
understand that the quetion of whether .Net is a good tool is totally
separate from MS dropping VB6 support. Others cannot make this simple
distinction, however, and are continually bashing .Net - about which they
apparently know almost nothing - just because they are unhappy with the VB6
support situation. That's how I got involved in this thread, tired of seeing
ignoramuses knock .Net when they do not know it.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.
Author
14 May 2005 8:46 PM
Bonj
<whisper> (you've got to remember, Peter, some of the people in this group
are over 2,000 years old.) </whisper>

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"Peter Aitken" <pait***@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Stefan Berglund" <keepit@in.thegroups> wrote in message
> news:u78a81hglvi1genqh62ttd3ds51ofhid6n@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:52:18 +0100, "Tony Proctor"
>> <tony_proctor@aimtechnology_NoMoreSPAM_.com> wrote:
>> in <uCLyZq7VFHA.3***@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>
>>
>>>Peter, without wishing to get into an argument on this subject, I feel
>>>your
>>>stance here is simply diluting the real message, and obscuring the fact
>>>that
>>>real commercial problems do exists. It's hard enough to get this message
>>>across in the industry, and to MSFT in particular, without the message
>>>being
>>>misconveyed like this.
>>>
>>>I don't hate .Net! If there was a way we could move our huge code base
>>>without having to double our resources, and without breaking our company,
>>>then we would. The real issues come down to money, dollars, not technical
>>>difficulty. I've "been around the block a few times", meaning I have the
>>>experience to use any tool or language. However, we have a large,
>>>non-trivial code base that has been tested, documented, and installed in
>>>a
>>>significant customer base. We also have employees who's salaries have to
>>>be
>>>paid, and competitors that we have to stay ahead of. Most small companies
>>>'go under' anyway because it's difficult enough to get to this stage.
>>>Having
>>>MSFT make it even more difficult is just so sad.
>>>
>>>If you use .Net and you like it then great! Go in peace!. However, please
>>>have sympathy for those of us who have a lot more worries on our
>>>shoulders
>>>than simply 'which language do I like best'.
>>>
>>>        Tony Proctor
>>
>> Well spoken, sir.  Thank You.
>>
>
> I do not disagree with what you are saying. But as regards your and
> others' huge code base - and it's a big but - all I have seen so far is a
> bunch of fretting and hand waving about all the bad things that may happen
> in the future. No one has provided the smallest shred of evidence that MS
> is doing anything to cause problems with VB6 apps down the road. And
> please don't bring up the terminally silly example of Format. Yes, there
> MAY be problems down the road - and there MAY NOT! Many people are
> actively berating MS for things that they are worried might happen. Get
> it - MIGHT?
>
> I fail to see the commercial problems you are worried about. Maybe you can
> explain. But I too have an installed VB6 code base and have yet to see the
> slightest problem. I tell clients the situation and my opinion that their
> VB6 apps will probably continue to work fine for many years but that I
> cannot be sure because of MS. Then it is their decision whether to migrate
> to .Net or not. They may be annoyed at the situation but not at me because
> it is clearly not my doing.Either way I still have their business, either
> continuing to maintain the existing apps or working on a .Net migration.
> suppose it's theoretically possible that a client will get fed up and move
> to Java or something, but that has yet to happen. As for competitors, they
> are in the same boat as you.
>
> Then there's the matter of .Net. Some people, including you, seem to
> understand that the quetion of whether .Net is a good tool is totally
> separate from MS dropping VB6 support. Others cannot make this simple
> distinction, however, and are continually bashing .Net - about which they
> apparently know almost nothing - just because they are unhappy with the
> VB6 support situation. That's how I got involved in this thread, tired of
> seeing ignoramuses knock .Net when they do not know it.
>
>
Author
14 May 2005 11:59 PM
Tom Esh
On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:49:51 -0400, "Peter Aitken"
<pait***@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:
>...Yes, there MAY be problems
>down the road - and there MAY NOT! Many people are actively berating MS for
>things that they are worried might happen. Get it - MIGHT?...

Yes, but many believe it would be a lot more difficult (if not
impossible) to get fixed after the fact. Not an unreasonable
assumption IMO. Hence the "ounce of prevention" approach. Get it? :-)


-Tom
MVP - Visual Basic
(please post replies to the newsgroup)
Author
15 May 2005 1:03 PM
Bob Butler
"Tom Esh" <tjeshGibber***@suscom.net> wrote in message
news:564d81pfedfja5bam7005d2l01mkhutj94@4ax.com
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:49:51 -0400, "Peter Aitken"
> <pait***@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:
>> ...Yes, there MAY be problems
>> down the road - and there MAY NOT! Many people are actively berating
>> MS for things that they are worried might happen. Get it - MIGHT?...
>
> Yes, but many believe it would be a lot more difficult (if not
> impossible) to get fixed after the fact. Not an unreasonable
> assumption IMO. Hence the "ounce of prevention" approach. Get it? :-)

Apart from the rounding problem and the various issues getting VB apps to
conform to XP themes there is this attitude:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1495504,00.asp

I'm not saying that security should not be an overriding concern but that
when (not if) things change in future OS releases, whether it be for
security concerns or just a side effect of some other change, the effect on
legacy applications is hardly likely to be positive.  The best we can hope
for is neutral.  What we have to expect is negative.  Using a supported
language with supported tools is certainly a better position to be in than
the alternative.  The only question is what language is going to be
supported long-term and VB.Net is certainly far down the list of likely
candidates.

Putting on blinders and hoping that things might not change is living in a
fool's paradise.  Things have changed, things are changing and things will
change in the future.  Within the sphere of the support environments the
changes may be positive but within the sphere of all applications being used
they may be show stoppers.  A business can't wait until that happens before
being ready to handle the changes.

--
Reply to the group so all can participate
VB.Net: "Fool me once..."
Author
15 May 2005 1:35 PM
Tom Esh
On Sun, 15 May 2005 06:03:13 -0700, "Bob Butler"
<tiredofit@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>....  A business can't wait until that happens before
>being ready to handle the changes.

Entirely reasonable :-)


-Tom
MVP - Visual Basic
(please post replies to the newsgroup)
Author
12 May 2005 9:45 PM
Ken Halter
"Ben" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
> works very nicely for what I do.
> Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
> I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to vb.net?
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>
> Ben

Boy... threads like this can go on... and on.... and on <g>.

Check out this thread. Similar questions were asked.

VB.NET is the "New Coke" of the computing world
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion/browse_frm/thread/c8d6a7fa24f9dff7/9563f985a327bd7a?q=%22new+coke%22+-dotnet+group:*.vb.*&rnum=1&hl=en#9563f985a327bd7a

Here's a VBWire poll....

Which version of VB do you primarily use:
Visual Basic Classic (6.0 and earlier): 47%
Visual Basic .NET: 25%
I dumped VB and went to C#: 17%
I don't use VB: 12%
http://vbwire.com/

Here's an article....

The Slow Brain Death of VB.NET
http://www.codinghorror.com/bl­og/archives/000235.html

fwiw, VS'05's the first .Net release that I'm actually looking forward to.
The "VB" they've included this time is actually starting to look like VB.
It'll never be VB5/6 though so you can kiss literally billions of lines of
code and countless tips/tricks/samples good bye.

--
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Author
12 May 2005 9:56 PM
Michael C
"Ben" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
> works very nicely for what I do.
> Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
> I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to vb.net?
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

For new project move as soon as possible. For existing projects it might be
worth staying with vb6. I'd strongly advice going to C# instead of vb.net
unless you are a home user simply because C# is aimed at the professional.
Our whole shop moved from vb.net to C# and it took no time to get the hang
of it. Everyone at work now laughs about how we actually sat down and
weighed up the pros and cons of using C# over a period of weeks only to find
everyone got the hang of it in around a day. Moving from vb6 to vb.net or c#
is a bigger step but not that difficult. Once you've moved and used it for a
while you'll understand why vb was ditched.

Michael
Author
12 May 2005 10:12 PM
JoeO
Excuse me Michael, you sound like a Bill Gate informacialist. Not that it
matter anyway.

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"Michael C" <mculley@NOSPAMoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Ben" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:uTUW$gzVFHA.2692@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
> > works very nicely for what I do.
> > Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
> > I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to
vb.net?
> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>
> For new project move as soon as possible. For existing projects it might
be
> worth staying with vb6. I'd strongly advice going to C# instead of vb.net
> unless you are a home user simply because C# is aimed at the professional.
> Our whole shop moved from vb.net to C# and it took no time to get the hang
> of it. Everyone at work now laughs about how we actually sat down and
> weighed up the pros and cons of using C# over a period of weeks only to
find
> everyone got the hang of it in around a day. Moving from vb6 to vb.net or
c#
> is a bigger step but not that difficult. Once you've moved and used it for
a
> while you'll understand why vb was ditched.
>
> Michael
>
>
Author
12 May 2005 10:23 PM
Ken Halter
"Michael C" <mculley@NOSPAMoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Once you've moved and used it for a while you'll understand why vb was
> ditched.

Will that new understanding give you a clue as to why 6 million VB users
were ditched along with VB and all of their code? gag... here we go again.
Too many threads already.


--
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Sign up now to help keep VB support alive - http://classicvb.org/petition
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Author
13 May 2005 12:36 AM
Michael C
"Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eP1s3E0VFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Will that new understanding give you a clue as to why 6 million VB users
> were ditched along with VB and all of their code? gag... here we go again.
> Too many threads already.

Once you get into using .net you see how broken vb6 was. I agree they did
dump vb6 users but that is a different story. There is no question .net is
*far* superior to vb6.

Michael
Author
13 May 2005 1:53 AM
Randy Birch
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=VB6+sucks&word2=VB.net+sucks


http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=VB.net+improves+on+VB6&word2=VB.Net+does+not+improve+on+VB6

<g>

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MS MVP Visual Basic
http://vbnet.mvps.org/
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"Michael C" <mculley@NOSPAMoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
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: "Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:eP1s3E0VFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > Will that new understanding give you a clue as to why 6 million VB users
: > were ditched along with VB and all of their code? gag... here we go
again.
: > Too many threads already.
:
: Once you get into using .net you see how broken vb6 was. I agree they did
: dump vb6 users but that is a different story. There is no question .net is
: *far* superior to vb6.
:
: Michael
:
:
Author
13 May 2005 2:13 AM
Casey Provance
What amuses me is that there is actually a url called "googlefight".  <g>

- Kev
Author
13 May 2005 5:40 AM
Michael C
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=c-sharp+sux&word2=vb6+sux

Nice site, BTW :-)

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"Randy Birch" <rgb_removet***@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=VB6+sucks&word2=VB.net+sucks
>
>
> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=VB.net+improves+on+VB6&word2=VB.Net+does+not+improve+on+VB6
>
> <g>
>
> --
>
> Randy Birch
> MS MVP Visual Basic
> http://vbnet.mvps.org/
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> Read. Decide. Sign the petition to Microsoft.
> http://classicvb.org/petition/
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>
>
>
> "Michael C" <mculley@NOSPAMoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:utGL3M1VFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : "Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:eP1s3E0VFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> : > Will that new understanding give you a clue as to why 6 million VB
> users
> : > were ditched along with VB and all of their code? gag... here we go
> again.
> : > Too many threads already.
> :
> : Once you get into using .net you see how broken vb6 was. I agree they
> did
> : dump vb6 users but that is a different story. There is no question .net
> is
> : *far* superior to vb6.
> :
> : Michael
> :
> :
>
Author
13 May 2005 8:24 PM
Ken Dopierala Jr.
This is the correct link:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=VB+6+sucks&word2=VB.net+sucks

You'll note that VB 6 now has lost by over 320,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;-}

Have a nice day.  Ken.

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>
>
>
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>
> <g>
>
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>
> Randy Birch
> MS MVP Visual Basic
> http://vbnet.mvps.org/
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>
> "Michael C" <mculley@NOSPAMoptushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:utGL3M1VFHA.3540@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : "Ken Halter" <Ken_Halter@Use_Sparingly_Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:eP1s3E0VFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> : > Will that new understanding give you a clue as to why 6 million VB
users
> : > were ditched along with VB and all of their code? gag... here we go
> again.
> : > Too many threads already.
> :
> : Once you get into using .net you see how broken vb6 was. I agree they
did
> : dump vb6 users but that is a different story. There is no question .net
is
> : *far* superior to vb6.
> :
> : Michael
> :
> :
>
Author
13 May 2005 8:50 PM
Bob Butler
"Ken Dopierala Jr." <kdopiera***@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%23KG8dm$VFHA.2684@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl
> This is the correct link:
>
>
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=VB+6+sucks&word2=VB.net+sucks
>
> You'll note that VB 6 now has lost by over
> 320,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not that VB.Net sucks, it's that it has no reason to exist.  As always,
the argument is *not* whether or not VB.Net is technically better than VB
but what the mass of VB developers do with the millions of lines of VB code
now that MS has abandoned them.  Staying in VB6 is not feasible long-term
and rewriting in VB.Net is a huge leap of faith given that MS has shown such
blatant disregard for the language.

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Author
14 May 2005 4:00 PM
Bruno Köller
> It's not that VB.Net sucks, it's that it has no reason to exist.  As
> always,
> the argument is *not* whether or not VB.Net is technically better than VB
> but what the mass of VB developers do with the millions of lines of VB
> code
> now that MS has abandoned them.

I've worked with all kinds of Microsoft's Basic versions since CP/M times.
One important reason why Microsoft grew up is and was always the
compatibility issue: Microsoft Basic programs did run on all machines, and
the core of their program code could be moved to newer basic versions always
in a more or less easy way. Furtheron Microsoft introduced a real native
compiler when protection against interpreter code decompiling became an
important question of protecting know how. In the meantime Microsoft became
so huge that even real inventions don't help them to maintain growing up,
and so they have to invent the wheel each two years for new so that each
newcoming programer generation might not have an impression that their job
could be done with something else than the newest not yet available
vapourware. If they will not switch on their brain they never will recognize
that each time their learning curve becomes a little bit flatter it happens
a wheel to be reinvented a little bit rounder but also a little bit harder
and more expensive to handle. This way I tend to hold Microsoft for the
world's biggest resource destroyer. Toys like their multicolored user
interface design have a shorter life expectancy than a new car, so no one
should tell me to invest my time into techniques which are internally almost
overcome when they are sold for the first time. Concerning introducion of
new languages in software languages I only can say to younger collegues
'solve your customer's problems, not those of your tool supplier'.

Just my 2c, as in old days.
Author
15 May 2005 3:59 AM
Paul Clement
On Thu, 12 May 2005 17:19:12 -0400, "Ben" <NoSpam@NoSpam.com> wrote:

¤ Hi all,
¤
¤ I am still using VB6, I guess I am very behind the time.  But it really
¤ works very nicely for what I do.
¤ Is it still alive and well out in the development world?
¤ I figure, after 2 versions of vb.net, may be it's time to move to vb.net?
¤ Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
¤
¤ Ben
¤

Well as long as it does what you need that's all that really matters.

However, if you feel that you're going to be left behind by sticking with it
then you would be correct.


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

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