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Utilities/Addon for Creating TablesApologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me to the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise to build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I am having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table (which is really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer tools in Visual Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to get things just right. For example, when I slide the column seperators all the cells sort of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table just right for my cart page, how the heck am to then convert this into code? I have learned enough that I know I will have to creating TableRow objects and TableCell objects and them to the appropriate container controls But isn't there any utility or addon that will convert a custom designed table into ASP .NET code automatically? Even if I knew all the properties that I had to set in order to get the code to generate a table just like the one I made in the Visual Studio IDE that would be great! Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design it and then code it to make it look just like what was visually designed? Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! Sincerely, Amar Hi Amar,
Many of us create tables in DreamWeaver or FrontPage. Once we get them the way we like, we move them to ASP.NET code. Show quoteHide quote "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message news:ONOk%23XPWFHA.1508@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > hello: > > Apologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me to > the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: > > I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise to > build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I am > having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table (which is > really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer tools in Visual > Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to get things just > right. For example, when I slide the column seperators all the cells sort > of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table just right for my cart > page, how the heck am to then convert this into code? I have learned > enough that I know I will have to creating TableRow objects and TableCell > objects and them to the appropriate container controls But isn't there > any utility or addon that will convert a custom designed table into ASP > .NET code automatically? Even if I knew all the properties that I had to > set in order to get the code to generate a table just like the one I made > in the Visual Studio IDE that would be great! > > Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most > tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design it > and then code it to make it look just like what was visually designed? > > Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! > > Sincerely, > Amar > > Ken:
Many thanks for the reply. If you don't mind a followup question: I do have Frontpage installed on this system and let's say I "draw" up something nice in there. Once that is completed what is the best way to get it what I created in frontpage into code. Is it just a pain staking process of reviewing the HTML generated by Frontpage and then setting the appropriate properties of my TableCell object? For example the CellWidth, Borders, etc? It just seems so very tedious!! Maybe that is the only way, but just want to make sure. Thanks in advance Ken! By the way, is CSS used often to make the perfect table? Amar Kapadia Show quoteHide quote "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BANSPAMken_cox@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:u7tkh9PWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > Hi Amar, > > Many of us create tables in DreamWeaver or FrontPage. Once we get them the > way we like, we move them to ASP.NET code. > > "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message > news:ONOk%23XPWFHA.1508@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> hello: >> >> Apologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me to >> the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: >> >> I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise to >> build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I am >> having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table (which is >> really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer tools in Visual >> Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to get things just >> right. For example, when I slide the column seperators all the cells >> sort of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table just right for my >> cart page, how the heck am to then convert this into code? I have >> learned enough that I know I will have to creating TableRow objects and >> TableCell objects and them to the appropriate container controls But >> isn't there any utility or addon that will convert a custom designed >> table into ASP .NET code automatically? Even if I knew all the >> properties that I had to set in order to get the code to generate a table >> just like the one I made in the Visual Studio IDE that would be great! >> >> Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most >> tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design it >> and then code it to make it look just like what was visually designed? >> >> Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! >> >> Sincerely, >> Amar >> >> > > Hi Amar,
You've got it, it is a pain. However, I find that since basic designs are generally reused throughout a site, only the first table takes a lot of work. I paste the HTML mark-up for the table into VS.NET's code view and then start configuring an ASP.NET datagrid to make it reflect what the original designer of the table intended. I'm not sure that CSS can make a perfect table. You sometimes run into cross-browser issues if you get too sophisticated with CSS. See you later! Ken Show quoteHide quote "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message news:OYND1PUWFHA.3864@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > Ken: > > Many thanks for the reply. If you don't mind a followup question: I do > have Frontpage installed on this system and let's say I "draw" up > something nice in there. Once that is completed what is the best way to > get it what I created in frontpage into code. Is it just a pain staking > process of reviewing the HTML generated by Frontpage and then setting the > appropriate properties of my TableCell object? For example the CellWidth, > Borders, etc? It just seems so very tedious!! Maybe that is the only way, > but just want to make sure. Thanks in advance Ken! > > By the way, is CSS used often to make the perfect table? > > Amar Kapadia > > > "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BANSPAMken_cox@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:u7tkh9PWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> Hi Amar, >> >> Many of us create tables in DreamWeaver or FrontPage. Once we get them >> the way we like, we move them to ASP.NET code. >> >> "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:ONOk%23XPWFHA.1508@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >>> hello: >>> >>> Apologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me >>> to the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: >>> >>> I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise >>> to build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I am >>> having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table (which is >>> really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer tools in >>> Visual Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to get >>> things just right. For example, when I slide the column seperators all >>> the cells sort of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table just >>> right for my cart page, how the heck am to then convert this into code? >>> I have learned enough that I know I will have to creating TableRow >>> objects and TableCell objects and them to the appropriate container >>> controls But isn't there any utility or addon that will convert a >>> custom designed table into ASP .NET code automatically? Even if I knew >>> all the properties that I had to set in order to get the code to >>> generate a table just like the one I made in the Visual Studio IDE that >>> would be great! >>> >>> Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most >>> tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design >>> it and then code it to make it look just like what was visually >>> designed? >>> >>> Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Amar >>> >>> >> >> > > Ken:
Thanks. I'll suppose I'll just grin and bear it! Thanks for your help! Amar Show quoteHide quote "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BANSPAMken_cox@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:ez9gvWUWFHA.2740@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Hi Amar, > > You've got it, it is a pain. However, I find that since basic designs are > generally reused throughout a site, only the first table takes a lot of > work. > > I paste the HTML mark-up for the table into VS.NET's code view and then > start configuring an ASP.NET datagrid to make it reflect what the original > designer of the table intended. > > I'm not sure that CSS can make a perfect table. You sometimes run into > cross-browser issues if you get too sophisticated with CSS. > > See you later! > > Ken > > "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message > news:OYND1PUWFHA.3864@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> Ken: >> >> Many thanks for the reply. If you don't mind a followup question: I do >> have Frontpage installed on this system and let's say I "draw" up >> something nice in there. Once that is completed what is the best way to >> get it what I created in frontpage into code. Is it just a pain staking >> process of reviewing the HTML generated by Frontpage and then setting the >> appropriate properties of my TableCell object? For example the >> CellWidth, Borders, etc? It just seems so very tedious!! Maybe that is >> the only way, but just want to make sure. Thanks in advance Ken! >> >> By the way, is CSS used often to make the perfect table? >> >> Amar Kapadia >> >> >> "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" <BANSPAMken_cox@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:u7tkh9PWFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >>> Hi Amar, >>> >>> Many of us create tables in DreamWeaver or FrontPage. Once we get them >>> the way we like, we move them to ASP.NET code. >>> >>> "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message >>> news:ONOk%23XPWFHA.1508@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >>>> hello: >>>> >>>> Apologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me >>>> to the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: >>>> >>>> I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise >>>> to build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I >>>> am having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table >>>> (which is really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer >>>> tools in Visual Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to >>>> get things just right. For example, when I slide the column seperators >>>> all the cells sort of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table >>>> just right for my cart page, how the heck am to then convert this into >>>> code? I have learned enough that I know I will have to creating >>>> TableRow objects and TableCell objects and them to the appropriate >>>> container controls But isn't there any utility or addon that will >>>> convert a custom designed table into ASP .NET code automatically? Even >>>> if I knew all the properties that I had to set in order to get the code >>>> to generate a table just like the one I made in the Visual Studio IDE >>>> that would be great! >>>> >>>> Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most >>>> tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design >>>> it and then code it to make it look just like what was visually >>>> designed? >>>> >>>> Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Amar >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > Read these articles [1],[2],[3] about using FrontPage with Visual
Studio.NET. Be advised all versions of Visual Studio.NET through 2003 will mangle and even delete the HTML source when moving back and forth between its so-called 'designer' and its editor. So far Visual Studio 2005 Beta 2 appears to be stable in this regard. <%= Clinton Gallagher METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service" NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com URL http://metromilwaukee.com/ URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ [1] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;871217 [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_bk/html/odc_fp_c43615101.asp [3] http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_ta/html/odc_FPUsingASPNETWithFrontPage2003.asp Show quoteHide quote "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message news:ONOk%23XPWFHA.1508@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > hello: > > Apologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me to > the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: > > I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise to > build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I am > having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table (which is > really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer tools in Visual > Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to get things just > right. For example, when I slide the column seperators all the cells sort > of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table just right for my cart > page, how the heck am to then convert this into code? I have learned > enough that I know I will have to creating TableRow objects and TableCell > objects and them to the appropriate container controls But isn't there > any utility or addon that will convert a custom designed table into ASP > .NET code automatically? Even if I knew all the properties that I had to > set in order to get the code to generate a table just like the one I made > in the Visual Studio IDE that would be great! > > Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most > tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design it > and then code it to make it look just like what was visually designed? > > Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! > > Sincerely, > Amar > > clintonG:
Thank you. I will review the articles listed below! Amar Show quoteHide quote "clintonG" <csgallag***@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message news:ePTqpxYWFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Read these articles [1],[2],[3] about using FrontPage with Visual > Studio.NET. > > Be advised all versions of Visual Studio.NET through 2003 will mangle and > even delete the HTML source when moving back and forth between its > so-called 'designer' and its editor. So far Visual Studio 2005 Beta 2 > appears to be stable in this regard. > > <%= Clinton Gallagher > METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service" > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > URL http://metromilwaukee.com/ > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > [1] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;871217 > [2] > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_bk/html/odc_fp_c43615101.asp > [3] > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_ta/html/odc_FPUsingASPNETWithFrontPage2003.asp > > "Amar Kapadia" <AmarKapa***@msn.com> wrote in message > news:ONOk%23XPWFHA.1508@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> hello: >> >> Apologies if I am posting in the wrong forum. If so, please direct me to >> the proper forum and I will repost. Here is my question: >> >> I am slowly learning ASP .NET programming and am now doing an exercise to >> build a very small and simple Shopping Cart. My problem is that I am >> having a devil of a time tyring to create a nice looking table (which is >> really what the checkout cart will be) using the Designer tools in Visual >> Studio 2003. It just seems so very difficult for me to get things just >> right. For example, when I slide the column seperators all the cells >> sort of re-adjust. But even if I were to get the table just right for my >> cart page, how the heck am to then convert this into code? I have >> learned enough that I know I will have to creating TableRow objects and >> TableCell objects and them to the appropriate container controls But >> isn't there any utility or addon that will convert a custom designed >> table into ASP .NET code automatically? Even if I knew all the >> properties that I had to set in order to get the code to generate a table >> just like the one I made in the Visual Studio IDE that would be great! >> >> Does this make any sense? Am I doing something wrong? How are most >> tables created by professionals? Do they always first visually design it >> and then code it to make it look just like what was visually designed? >> >> Anyway, please help!! Anything will be most welcome!! >> >> Sincerely, >> Amar >> >> > > 
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