VS2005 is a PIECE of Garbage and is bug Ridden,  I wonder how many others
feel the same,  I am so sorry that I have moved away from VS2003,

VS2005 is unstable,  and half the stuff doesn't work,  Microsft has spent so
much time trying to make it simply that when you try to do something useful
with it it doesn't work...

Half the time it crashes,  and menu items appear for things you cannot do.
For example,  Go into component designer,   or SQLDataAdapter component for
WebForms is junk, doesn't come installed,  so you add it to the toolbar and
it doesn't work,  it breaks webforms.

I guess this is now a good system for doing things the microsoft way,  but
build anytihng decent and forget it..,

VS2005 is a WASTE of MONEY..  I advise all to NOT upgrade,  grab yourself
the express additons the FREE versions,  at least you won't feel so riped...

Anyway my two cents...

Hi Rob:

I had some problems with it also at first.  Now I have converted two
major apps from VS.2003 and it seems to be fine for me.

Hang in there - it will get better!

Fred


Rob Dob wrote:

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I am having troubles converting vb code behind to vs2005 - I converted c#
code behind no problem at all, but I get compile errors with vb that I cant
work out what the cause is - for every one of my vb code behind files, the
same errors!!
InitializeCulture is not a member of ASP.[filename].aspx
CreateResourceBasedLiteralControl is not a member of ...
Context is not a member of [project name].[filename]

Help??!!

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can you post the code that will not port?

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None of my ASPX files with VB behind them will port - I had to convert them
to C#!!
I will get an example and post it here asap

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The Vb.Net behind this example is as follows (sorry its large)

Imports System

Imports System.Collections
Imports System.ComponentModel


Imports System.Data

Imports System.Drawing
Imports System.Globalization
Imports System.Xml
Imports System.Web
Imports System.Web.SessionState
Imports System.Web.UI
Imports System.Web.UI.WebControls
Imports System.Web.UI.HtmlControls

Imports WCPierce.Web.UI.WebControls

Partial Class _Default
    Inherits System.Web.UI.Page

    Public YAHOOAPI_code = "MAPRESTHOMES"





    Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As EventArgs) _
    Handles MyBase.Load

        Dim gSmallMapControl As New GSmallMapControl()
        Dim gMapTypeControl As New GMapTypeControl()

        If IsPostBack() = False Then
            gMap.AddControl(gSmallMapControl)
            gMap.AddControl(gMapTypeControl)

            'initially centered on Atlanta
            Dim gpOrigin As New GPoint(-84.0F, 34.0F)

            gMap.CenterAndZoom(gpOrigin, 10)
            getLocations()

        End If

        displayDirections()


    End Sub
    Private Sub LatLon_change()
        Dim gpFrom As New GPoint
        Dim gpTo As New GPoint
        Dim gpOldFrom As New GPoint
        Dim gpOldTo As New GPoint
        Dim ioverlay As Integer

        For ioverlay = 0 To gMap.Overlays.Count - 1
            gMap.Overlays.RemoveAt(0)
        Next

        gpFrom = Point_plot("From Address", fromLat.Text, fromLon.Text)
        gpTo = Point_plot("To Address", toLat.Text, toLon.Text)

        oldFromLat.Value = fromLat.Text
        oldFromLon.Value = fromLon.Text
        oldToLat.Value = toLat.Text
        oldToLon.Value = toLon.Text

        zoomAndCenter(gpFrom, gpTo)

        Dim distanceBetweenPoints As Double
        distanceBetweenPoints = calcDistance(gpFrom, gpTo)
        distance.Text = distanceBetweenPoints.ToString()

    End Sub
    Function calcDistance(ByVal pStart As GPoint, ByVal pEnd As GPoint) As
Double
        Dim fRadiusOfEarth As New Double()
        Dim fLonA As New Double()
        Dim fLonB As New Double()
        Dim fLatA As New Double()
        Dim fLatB As New Double()
        Dim a As New Double()
        Dim c As New Double()
        Dim d As New Double()
        Dim fDistanceLon As New Double()
        Dim fDistanceLat As New Double()

        fRadiusOfEarth = 3959.871 ' radius of earth in miles
        'fRadiusOfEarth = (double)6372.795477598; ' radius of earth in km

        fLonA = pStart.X * Math.PI / 180
        fLonB = pEnd.X * Math.PI / 180
        fLatA = pStart.Y * Math.PI / 180
        fLatB = pEnd.Y * Math.PI / 180

        Dim dblFloat, dblFloat2 As Double


        fDistanceLon = fLonB - fLonA
        fDistanceLat = fLatB - fLatA

        a = Math.Pow(Math.Sin(fDistanceLat / 2), 2)
        dblFloat2 = Math.Pow(Math.Sin(fDistanceLon / 2), 2)

        a = a + (Math.Cos(fLatA) * Math.Cos(fLatB) * dblFloat2)

        dblFloat = Math.Sqrt(a)
        dblFloat2 = Math.Sqrt(1 - a)
        c = 2 * Math.Atan2(dblFloat, dblFloat2)


        d = fRadiusOfEarth * c

        calcDistance = d


    End Function
    Private Sub zoomAndCenter(ByVal gpFrom As GPoint, ByVal gpTo As GPoint)

        Dim spanLat As Double
        Dim spanLon As Double
        Dim latMid As Double
        Dim lonMid As Double
        Dim gpMidpoint As New GPoint()


        spanLat = Math.Abs(gpFrom.Y - gpTo.Y)
        spanLon = Math.Abs(gpFrom.X - gpTo.X)
        latMid = (gpFrom.Y + gpTo.Y) / 2
        lonMid = (gpFrom.X + gpTo.X) / 2
        gpMidpoint = New GPoint()
        gpMidpoint.X = lonMid
        gpMidpoint.Y = latMid

        Dim mapWidth As Double = 250
        Dim mapHeight As Double = 250

        Dim zoomX As Double
        zoomX = Math.Log(spanLon * 100000 * Math.Cos(latMid * Math.PI / 180)
/ mapWidth) / Math.Log(2)
        Dim zoomY As Double
        zoomY = Math.Log(spanLat * 100000 / mapHeight) / Math.Log(2)
        Dim iZoom As Integer
        iZoom = Math.Ceiling(Math.Max(zoomX, zoomY))
        gMap.CenterAndZoom(gpMidpoint, iZoom + 1)



    End Sub
    Private Function Point_plot(ByVal strTag As String, ByVal strLat As
String, ByVal strLon As String) As GPoint
        Dim gpPoint As New GPoint()

        Dim fLat As New Double
        Dim fLon As New Double


        If strLat <> "" And strLon <> "" Then

            fLat = Convert.ToDouble(strLat)

            fLon = Convert.ToDouble(strLon)

            gpPoint.Y = fLat
            gpPoint.X = fLon


            'gMap.CenterAndZoom(gpPoint, 5);

            Dim gm As New GMarker(gpPoint, strTag)

            gMap.Overlays.Add(gm)

        End If

        Point_plot = gpPoint


    End Function

    Private Sub Address_getLatLon()

        Dim strGeneratedURL As New
String("http://api.local.yahoo.com/MapsService/V1/geocode?")

        'start address
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "appid=" + YAHOOAPI_code
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&street=" + fromAddr.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&city=" + fromCity.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&state=" + fromState.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&zip=" + fromZip.Text

        HiddenFieldLatLonFrom.Value = strGeneratedURL
        fromLat.Text = String_getFromXML(strGeneratedURL, "Latitude")
        fromLon.Text = String_getFromXML(strGeneratedURL, "Longitude")

        strGeneratedURL = "http://api.local.yahoo.com/MapsService/V1/geocode?"

        'destination address
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "appid=" + YAHOOAPI_code
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&street=" + toAddr.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&city=" + toCity.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&state=" + toState.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&zip=" + toZip.Text


        HiddenFieldLatLonTo.Value = strGeneratedURL
        toLat.Text = String_getFromXML(strGeneratedURL, "Latitude")
        toLon.Text = String_getFromXML(strGeneratedURL, "Longitude")

    End Sub
    Private Function String_getFromXML(ByVal strGeneratedURL As String,
ByVal strTag As String) As String

        Dim XMLDoc As New System.Xml.XmlDocument()


        'XMLDoc.async = false

        XMLDoc.Load(strGeneratedURL)

        Dim nodeArr As XmlNodeList

        nodeArr = XMLDoc.GetElementsByTagName(strTag)



        String_getFromXML = nodeArr.Item(0).InnerText






    End Function
    Private Sub Directions_displayYahoo()
        'Aiming to generate a url like the following one:


'http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result?newaddr=1199+Main+St&taddr=518+Smithstone+Trace+SE&csz=Atlanta%2C+GA+30349-5839&country=us&tcsz=Marietta+GA+30067&tcountry=us

        Dim strGeneratedURL As New
String("http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result?newaddr=")

        'start address
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + fromAddr.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&csz=" + fromCity.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + fromState.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + fromZip.Text
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&country=us"


        'destination address
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&taddr=" + toAddr.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&tcsz=" + toCity.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + toState.Text + "+"
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + toZip.Text
        strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&tcountry=us"


        HiddenField1.Value = strGeneratedURL

    End Sub

    Private Sub getDirections_Click(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles getDirections.Click
        displayDirections()

    End Sub
    Sub putLocationsInFields(ByVal dsLocations As DataSet)
        Dim drStart As System.Data.DataRow
        Dim drEnd As System.Data.DataRow

        drStart = dsLocations.Tables.Item(0).Rows.Item(0)

        fromAddr.Text = drStart.Item("Address").ToString()
        fromCity.Text = drStart.Item("City").ToString()
        fromState.Text = drStart.Item("State").ToString()
        fromZip.Text = drStart.Item("Zip").ToString()

        drEnd = dsLocations.Tables.Item(0).Rows.Item(1)

        toAddr.Text = drEnd.Item("Address").ToString()
        toCity.Text = drEnd.Item("City").ToString()
        toState.Text = drEnd.Item("State").ToString()
        toZip.Text = drEnd.Item("Zip").ToString()


    End Sub
    Private Sub getLocations()
        Dim dsLocations As New DataSet
        Dim drStart As DataRow
        Dim drEnd As DataRow

        dsLocations.Tables.Add("Location")
        dsLocations.Tables(0).Columns.Add("Address", GetType(System.String))
        dsLocations.Tables(0).Columns.Add("City", GetType(System.String))
        dsLocations.Tables(0).Columns.Add("State", GetType(System.String))
        dsLocations.Tables(0).Columns.Add("Zip", GetType(System.String))
        dsLocations.Tables(0).Columns.Add("DistanceTo",
GetType(System.Decimal))

        drStart = dsLocations.Tables(0).NewRow

        drStart.Item("Address") = "1199 Main St"
        drStart.Item("City") = "Atlanta"
        drStart.Item("State") = "GA"
        drStart.Item("Zip") = "30349"
        drStart.Item("DistanceTo") = 0.0

        dsLocations.Tables(0).Rows.Add(drStart)

        drEnd = dsLocations.Tables(0).NewRow

        drEnd.Item("Address") = "2035 Main St"
        drEnd.Item("City") = "Atlanta"
        drEnd.Item("State") = "GA"
        drEnd.Item("Zip") = "30349"
        drEnd.Item("DistanceTo") = 0.0

        dsLocations.Tables(0).Rows.Add(drEnd)

        putLocationsInFields(dsLocations)

    End Sub
    Private Sub displayDirections()

        Directions_displayYahoo()
        Address_getLatLon()
        LatLon_change()


    End Sub


End Class




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As an example of another symptom of the problem, the following code compiles
and runs fine with my vb code behind it within visual studio, but when I try
to run it from my browser, I get "Parser Error" could not load type
'_Default'.

The same code (apart from the @Page directive) with C# behind it works fine
in my browser.  Unfortunately I have no hosting that supports .Net 2.0 so I
cannot put this example anywhere you can see it.  Is there anywhere you know
of that allows you to host .Net 2.0 cheap/free?

<%@ Page Language="VB" AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="Default.aspx.vb"
Inherits="_Default" %>
<%@ Register TagPrefix="wcp" Namespace="WCPierce.Web.UI.WebControls"
Assembly="WCPierce.Web" %>

<!-- Note that this style sheet will only be imported in IE4 and 5 and Opera
-->
<STYLE type="text/css">
@import url(defaultlayout.css);
</STYLE>


<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml">


  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
    <title>GMap Basics</title>
    <style type="text/css">
      v\:* {
        behavior:url(#default#VML);
      }
    </style>
  </head>
  <script>

  </script>
  <body onload="javascript:   displayDirections(
document.getElementById('HiddenField1').value);         ">
  <iframe id="frameDirections" width=700 height=700 
style="position:absolute; top:20px; left:299px; visibility:visible ">No
directions at this time</iframe>
  <iframe id="framegMap" width="500px" height="500px"
style="position:absolute; top:25px; left:299px; visibility:hidden ">No Map at
this time</iframe>
    <form id="Form1" method="post" runat="server">
    <table>
    <script>


    var contentArr = new Array();   
    bFillFromAddress=true;
    function displayDirections(strURL) {

        document.getElementById('frameDirections').src = strURL;

    }
    function getAddressInfo() {

        var strGeneratedURL = "http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=";

            //start address
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElemetById('fromAddr').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('fromCity').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('fromState').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('fromZip').value ;


            //destination address
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&daddr=" +
document.getElementById('toAddr').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('toCity').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('toState').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('toZip').value ;

            //URL_displayInBrowser(strGeneratedURL);
            document.getElementById('HiddenField1').value = strGeneratedURL;

    }
    function MapDiv_hide(strId) {

        if (document.layers) {

            document[strId].visibility = 'hide';

        }
        else {
            if (document.all) {

                document.all[strId].style.visibility='hidden';
            }
            else {
                if (document.getElementById) {

                    document.getElementById(strId).style.visibility =
'hidden';
                    document.getElementById("frame" +
strId).style.visibility='hidden';
                }
            }
        }

    }

    function Div_hide(strId) {

        if (document.layers) {
            document[strId].visibility = 'hide';

        }
        else {
            if (document.all) {
                document.all[strId].style.visibility = 'hidden';

            }
            else {
                if (document.getElementById) {
                    document.getElementById(strId).style.visibility =
'hidden';
            document.getElementById("frame" +
strId).style.visibility='hidden';
                }
            }
        }

    }





    function Div_show(strId) {
        if (document.layers) {
            document[strId].visibility = 'show';

        }
        else {
            if (document.all) {

                document.all[strId].style.visibility = 'visible';

            }
            else {
                if (document.getElementById) {
                    document.getElementById(strId).style.visibility =
'visible';
                    document.getElementById(strId).zIndex=1000;
                    document.getElementById("frame" +
strId).style.visibility='visible';

                }
            }
        }

    }





      function GMap_Click(overlay, point)
      {
        if( overlay )
          this.removeOverlay(overlay);
        else if( point )
        {
          this.addOverlay(new GMarker(point));
          if (bFillFromAddress=true)
          {

          }
        }
      }


      function GMap_placeOverlay(overlay, point)
      {
        var map = new GMap(document.getElementById("GMap_div"));

        if( overlay ){

          map.removeOverlay(overlay);
        }
        else if( point )
        {

          var gMarker = new GMarker(point);

          map.addOverlay(gMarker);


        }
      }

    </script>
        <tr>
            <td valign="top">
                <table>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>From Address:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromAddr" runat="server" maxlength=35 
Text=""></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>City:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromCity" runat="server"
maxlength=35  Text="Atlanta"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>State:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromState" runat="server"
maxlength=35  Text="GA"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Zip:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromZip" runat="server"
maxlength=35  Text=""></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><b>Lat</b></td>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><asp:TextBox runat="server"
ID="fromLat"  ></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Lon</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox runat="server" ID="fromLon" 
                    </tr>
                    <tr><td> </td></tr>

                    <tr>
                    <td><b>To Address:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toAddr" runat="server" maxlength=35 
Text=""></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>City:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toCity" runat="server" maxlength=35
Text="Marietta"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>State:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toState" runat="server"
maxlength=35 Text="GA"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Zip:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toZip" runat="server" maxlength=35
Text="30067"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Lat</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox runat="server" ID="toLat" 
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><b>Lon</b></td>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><asp:TextBox runat="server"
ID="toLon"  ></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                        <td style="height: 26px">
                            <b>Distance </b><br />(as the crow flies)</td>
                        <td style="height: 26px">
                            <asp:TextBox ID="distance"
runat="server"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>


                    <!--<tr><td><input id="btnGetDirections" type=button
value="Directions" onClick="javascript: getAddressInfo(); displayDirections(
document.getElementById('HiddenField1').value);"/></td></tr>-->

                </table>           
                <asp:HiddenField ID="HiddenField1" runat="server" />
                <asp:Button ID="getDirections" runat="server"
AutoPostBack="true"  Text="Directions" />
                <asp:HiddenField ID="HiddenFieldLatLonFrom" runat="server" />
                <asp:HiddenField ID="HiddenFieldLatLonTo" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldFromLat" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldFromLon" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldToLat" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldToLon" runat="server" />
                <wcp:GMap runat="server" id="gMap" Width="250px"
Height="250px" />
                <!--<YMap runat="server" id="yMap" Width="250px"
Height="250px" />-->
                </td>




            <td>


            </td>
        </tr>

    </table>    

  <script>



</script>
<script>

function replaceString( strInString, strToSearchFor, strToReplaceWith)
{

    while (strInString.indexOf(strToSearchFor)>0)
    {
        iPosFound=strInString.indexOf(strToSearchFor);

        if (strToSearchFor == "apos;")
        {

            strInString = strInString.substr(0, iPosFound-2) + strToReplaceWith +
strInString.substr(iPosFound+strToSearchFor.length);

        }
        else
        {
            strInString = strInString.substr(0, iPosFound-1) + strToReplaceWith +
strInString.substr(iPosFound+strToSearchFor.length);

        }
    }


    return strInString;
}

</script>
<script>




function urlFetch(strURL){
  XMLDoc = new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.DOMDocument.3.0")
  XMLDoc.async = false

  XMLDoc.load(strURL)
  if (XMLDoc.parseError.errorCode != 0) {

  }
  else {

  }

  return(XMLDoc);
}



    function LatLon_getValues()
    {
        document.getElementById("fromLat").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonFrom").value,
"Latitude");
        document.getElementById("fromLon").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonFrom").value,
"Longitude");

        document.getElementById("toLat").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonTo").value, 
"Latitude");
        document.getElementById("toLon").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonTo").value, 
"Longitude");
    }


    //url, "Result", "Latitude"
     function retrieveData(strURL, strDetailTag){

        var XMLDoc = new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.DOMDocument.3.0");

        XMLDoc = urlFetch(strURL); //escape??

        var nodeArr;

        nodeArr = XMLDoc.getElementsByTagName(strDetailTag);

        for(i=0; i<nodeArr.length; i++) {

            return(nodeArr.item(i).text);

        }
        return("");
    }


</script>
    </form>
  </body>

</html>


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I tried to "attach to the process" (IIS) and got this error this time..
Maybe this confirms that something is screwed in my install of .Net 2??


Configuration Error
Description: An error occurred during the processing of a configuration file
required to service this request. Please review the specific error details
below and modify your configuration file appropriately.

Parser Error Message: Unrecognized attribute 'xmlns'.

Source Error:


Line 1:  <?xml version="1.0"?>
Line 2:  <configuration
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/.NetConfiguration/v2.0">
Line 3:      <appSettings>
Line 4:          <add key="ScriptFolderPath" value="~/Scripts"/>


Source File: C:\Inetpub\WCPierce\TestWeb\web.config    Line: 2


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The following is an example (slightly different to the others) of a piece of
asp.net that compiles fine if it has c# behind it but not if vb is behind it.
If vb is behind it, the <style> tag gives the following error:
Element 'style' must be contained within a parent element

However, the really weird thing is that sometimes when I compile this doesnt
cause an error, even though I make no changes to the code!!! Maddening!

<%@ Page Language="VB" AutoEventWireup="false" CodeFile="Default.aspx.vb"
Inherits="_Default" %>
<%@ Register TagPrefix="wcp" Namespace="WCPierce.Web.UI.WebControls"
Assembly="WCPierce.Web" %>

<!-- Note that this style sheet will only be imported in IE4 and 5 and Opera
-->
<STYLE type="text/css">
@import url(defaultlayout.css);
</STYLE>


<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml">


  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"/>
    <title>GMap Basics</title>
    <style type="text/css">
      v\:* {
        behavior:url(#default#VML);
      }
    </style>
  </head>
  <script>

  </script>
  <body onload="javascript:   displayDirections(
document.getElementById('HiddenField1').value);         ">
  <iframe id="frameDirections" width=700 height=700 
style="position:absolute; top:20px; left:299px; visibility:visible ">No
directions at this time</iframe>
  <iframe id="framegMap" width="500px" height="500px"
style="position:absolute; top:25px; left:299px; visibility:hidden ">No Map at
this time</iframe>
    <form id="Form1" method="post" runat="server">
    <table>
    <script>


    var contentArr = new Array();   
    bFillFromAddress=true;
    function displayDirections(strURL) {

        document.getElementById('frameDirections').src = strURL;

    }
    function getAddressInfo() {

        var strGeneratedURL = "http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=";

            //start address
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElemetById('fromAddr').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('fromCity').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('fromState').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('fromZip').value ;


            //destination address
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL + "&daddr=" +
document.getElementById('toAddr').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('toCity').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('toState').value + "+";
            strGeneratedURL = strGeneratedURL +
document.getElementById('toZip').value ;

            //URL_displayInBrowser(strGeneratedURL);
            document.getElementById('HiddenField1').value = strGeneratedURL;

    }
    function MapDiv_hide(strId) {

        if (document.layers) {

            document[strId].visibility = 'hide';

        }
        else {
            if (document.all) {

                document.all[strId].style.visibility='hidden';
            }
            else {
                if (document.getElementById) {

                    document.getElementById(strId).style.visibility =
'hidden';
                    document.getElementById("frame" +
strId).style.visibility='hidden';
                }
            }
        }

    }

    function Div_hide(strId) {

        if (document.layers) {
            document[strId].visibility = 'hide';

        }
        else {
            if (document.all) {
                document.all[strId].style.visibility = 'hidden';

            }
            else {
                if (document.getElementById) {
                    document.getElementById(strId).style.visibility =
'hidden';
            document.getElementById("frame" +
strId).style.visibility='hidden';
                }
            }
        }

    }





    function Div_show(strId) {
        if (document.layers) {
            document[strId].visibility = 'show';

        }
        else {
            if (document.all) {

                document.all[strId].style.visibility = 'visible';

            }
            else {
                if (document.getElementById) {
                    document.getElementById(strId).style.visibility =
'visible';
                    document.getElementById(strId).zIndex=1000;
                    document.getElementById("frame" +
strId).style.visibility='visible';

                }
            }
        }

    }





      function GMap_Click(overlay, point)
      {
        if( overlay )
          this.removeOverlay(overlay);
        else if( point )
        {
          this.addOverlay(new GMarker(point));
          if (bFillFromAddress=true)
          {

          }
        }
      }


      function GMap_placeOverlay(overlay, point)
      {
        var map = new GMap(document.getElementById("GMap_div"));

        if( overlay ){

          map.removeOverlay(overlay);
        }
        else if( point )
        {

          var gMarker = new GMarker(point);

          map.addOverlay(gMarker);


        }
      }

    </script>
        <tr>
            <td valign="top">
                <table>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>From Address:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromAddr" runat="server" maxlength=35 
Text=""></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>City:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromCity" runat="server"
maxlength=35  Text="Atlanta"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>State:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromState" runat="server"
maxlength=35  Text="GA"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Zip:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="fromZip" runat="server"
maxlength=35  Text=""></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><b>Lat</b></td>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><asp:TextBox runat="server"
ID="fromLat"  ></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Lon</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox runat="server" ID="fromLon" 
                    </tr>
                    <tr><td> </td></tr>

                    <tr>
                    <td><b>To Address:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toAddr" runat="server" maxlength=35 
Text=""></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>City:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toCity" runat="server" maxlength=35
Text="Marietta"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>State:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toState" runat="server"
maxlength=35 Text="GA"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Zip:</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox ID="toZip" runat="server" maxlength=35
Text="30067"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td><b>Lat</b></td>
                    <td><asp:TextBox runat="server" ID="toLat" 
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><b>Lon</b></td>
                    <td style="height: 26px"><asp:TextBox runat="server"
ID="toLon"  ></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                        <td style="height: 26px">
                            <b>Distance </b><br />(as the crow flies)</td>
                        <td style="height: 26px">
                            <asp:TextBox ID="distance"
runat="server"></asp:TextBox></td>
                    </tr>


                    <!--<tr><td><input id="btnGetDirections" type=button
value="Directions" onClick="javascript: getAddressInfo(); displayDirections(
document.getElementById('HiddenField1').value);"/></td></tr>-->

                </table>           
                <asp:HiddenField ID="HiddenField1" runat="server" />
                <asp:Button ID="getDirections" runat="server"
AutoPostBack="true"  Text="Directions" />
                <asp:HiddenField ID="HiddenFieldLatLonFrom" runat="server" />
                <asp:HiddenField ID="HiddenFieldLatLonTo" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldFromLat" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldFromLon" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldToLat" runat="server" />
                   <asp:HiddenField ID="oldToLon" runat="server" />
                <wcp:GMap runat="server" id="gMap" Width="250px"
Height="250px" />
                <!--<YMap runat="server" id="yMap" Width="250px"
Height="250px" />-->
                </td>




            <td>


            </td>
        </tr>

    </table>    

  <script>



</script>
<script>

function replaceString( strInString, strToSearchFor, strToReplaceWith)
{

    while (strInString.indexOf(strToSearchFor)>0)
    {
        iPosFound=strInString.indexOf(strToSearchFor);

        if (strToSearchFor == "apos;")
        {

            strInString = strInString.substr(0, iPosFound-2) + strToReplaceWith +
strInString.substr(iPosFound+strToSearchFor.length);

        }
        else
        {
            strInString = strInString.substr(0, iPosFound-1) + strToReplaceWith +
strInString.substr(iPosFound+strToSearchFor.length);

        }
    }


    return strInString;
}

</script>
<script>




function urlFetch(strURL){
  XMLDoc = new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.DOMDocument.3.0")
  XMLDoc.async = false

  XMLDoc.load(strURL)
  if (XMLDoc.parseError.errorCode != 0) {

  }
  else {

  }

  return(XMLDoc);
}



    function LatLon_getValues()
    {
        document.getElementById("fromLat").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonFrom").value,
"Latitude");
        document.getElementById("fromLon").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonFrom").value,
"Longitude");

        document.getElementById("toLat").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonTo").value, 
"Latitude");
        document.getElementById("toLon").value =
retrieveData(document.getElementById("HiddenFieldLatLonTo").value, 
"Longitude");
    }


    //url, "Result", "Latitude"
     function retrieveData(strURL, strDetailTag){

        var XMLDoc = new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.DOMDocument.3.0");

        XMLDoc = urlFetch(strURL); //escape??

        var nodeArr;

        nodeArr = XMLDoc.getElementsByTagName(strDetailTag);

        for(i=0; i<nodeArr.length; i++) {

            return(nodeArr.item(i).text);

        }
        return("");
    }


</script>
    </form>
  </body>

</html>


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Sorry to keep posting on this but even vb code that works fine in the IDE is
giving me this error when I try to run it from outside the IDE.. At first I
thought it was something wrong with the way I was publishing the site, but
someone on another forum wonders if my .Net 2.0 install did not install
properly, as they think some of my errors suggest my apps are trying to run
in .Net 1.1??  Any ideas?

Parser Error
Description: An error occurred during the parsing of a resource required to
service this request. Please review the following specific parse error
details and modify your source file appropriately.

Parser Error Message: Could not load type '_Default'.

Source Error:


Line 1:  <%@ Page Language="VB" AutoEventWireup="false"
CodeFile="Default.aspx.vb" Inherits="_Default" %>
Line 2:  <%@ Register TagPrefix="wcp"
Namespace="WCPierce.Web.UI.WebControls" Assembly="WCPierce.Web" %>
Line 3: 



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If you're running this outside of VS 2005, then it must be running through
your local IIS.  So, you have to make sure that this specific web
application is configured under IIS to run under ASP.NET 2.0.  Open the IIS
Manager and go to this application and right-click.  Select Properties and
in the dialog that should come up, select the ASP.NET tab.  You should be
able to change this to the .NET 2.0 version.
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Perhaps you should try to buy orginal version :)
PK

Perhaps you should try to by orginal version :)

Rob:
Tell us what you really think.  The last thing we want here are people
holding back their opinion...

I will admit that I too run into frustrating situations. I am using an EAP
of Resharper 2.0 though, so who knows which is to blame .

All in all, I think people should give it a try, there certainly are some
issues.  Keep in mind that a service pack will be released though, not right
away, but soon.

Karl

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Hate to burst your bubble here, but they still haven't released a service
pack for VS.NET 2003 (after at least 2 years), I don't know what makes us
think they'll release a service pack for 2005 anytime sooner than that,
especially considering prior to VS.NET release, Service Packs were a regular
part of life and something we could count on (or should I say "had to count
on" and weren't let down).

In anycase, I, too, have stopped using VS 2005 shortly after downloading it
from MSDN subscribers because, in trying to create simple WinForms apps, the
IDE kept crashing and amazingly, the only time in 4 years that I've ever
experienced a kernel exception of some time in Windows XP Pro (I'm using
SP2), was twice while doing something in the VS 2005 IDE (within hours after
installing it and rebooting, of course).  I haven't touched the IDE since
(and haven't experienced WinXP Pro crashing since (or before, either)) and
prefer to remain in 2003 since I perceive it to be more stable, as well.
I'm dissapointed.  But once I set up a more suitable virtual machine for it
I'll venture back into 2005 development, just not on my primary development
box.



Thanks,
Shawn

My bubble isn't burst.  Microsoft has made it clear what the service path
for 2005 is going to be, namely a service pack for both 2003 and 2005 in the
first half of 2006 - that's "soonish" in my book.
http://blogs.msdn.com/scottwil/

Karl

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Hmm... interesting.  That's good news, for VS 2005 users.  But, come one, 3
years after VS.NET 2003?  That's not soonish by any stretch of the
imagination.  Fortunate for me, I've never experienced a defect in 2003 that
is worthy of mention (come to think of it, can't think of any at all, and I
use it 10 hours a day since the day it released).

My point?  Regarding VS 2005, and my earlier remarks, I stand corrected.
There is hope after all for VS 2005 users.  Oh, and, since people ask, I
have never installed a beta/rc of 2005 anywhere except in a virtual machine.
So that wouldn't be the cause for the instabilities on my main box (which
has been the most stable box I've ever used).


Thanks,
Shawn

I uninstalled resharper, that thing don't play well with studio at all. I'll
qualify that by saying it presented problems when the project was very large
with lots of post build copying. VS seemed to be unstable a lot but i knew
it must be resharper because VS was working well on the large project before
resharper. After 2 months, i'd had enough.

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Re:
<<a service pack will be released though, not right away, but soon>>

Is this just your wishful thinking, or do you have some "inside" information
on this? If the latter, can you elaborate?

Thanks!

Jeff




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re:
See :

http://blogs.msdn.com/scottwil/



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Being perfectly honest here,   The only reason I went the Microsoft way
Years Ago!! was NOT because they had the best product, but because they
dictate the market,   I remember being perfectly happy with Borland's Turbo
C++,  its compiler blew away Microsoft's ( MSC5.0 ), it produced much faster
code.  I must admit I'm new to C#, as most of my apps are written in VC++,
and I tried to rewrite one of HEAVILY mutli threaded VC++ my applications in
C#,  there is no comparison in speed, .

My frustrations lie with VS2005 webform/web applications creation using c#,
I did NOT participate in the beta,  I am also not really interested in using
their wonderful NEW plug and play controls,  although I'm sure to many they
are useful.  I am frustrated at the lack of support that exists for
DataAdapter controls..  i.e The SQLDataAdapter is no longer available by
default in the toolbox,  when you add it in and then try to make use of it
my application no longer works,  However if you do the same on a winform
then everything works fine,  I'm only referring to the webforms and c#
within webforms.   I'm referring to the larger select statement,  that
VS2005 now decides that it is better to place within a .resx file which then
it doesn't seem to have recognition of at runtime,  Im talking about why
should I need to lookup docks about RESGEN, unless if thats what I wish to
do.

I also don't understand why when vs2005 creates a local resouce file. resx
it does not nest it in with the corrsponding webform..,  especially when
they have gone to the trouble of creating abutton for this specific use...

I also find that a lot of the lingo at Microsoft Visual Studio site, says or
use to say,  "to Be Added",  its a joke these are obvious areas that
Microsofts team have yet to fill in,  anyway another story there..

In short I honestly at this point am sorry that I have upgraded to vs2005,
when I originally upgraded from VS6 to Vs2002 I was happy for the most part
with the exception of debug symbols no longer being supported in the same
fashion they were in vc6 ,  but I overcame that...

Microsoft states, that the new VS2005 should save you tons of development
time,  up to this point it has just wasted days of mine,

I also don't understand why Mr Gates, Aka Software Architect,  doesn't pay
someone from Microsoft to monitor these newsgroups and then help with
answering some of these questions posted,  a lot of the questions posted
within this group and other microsoft groups go unanswered.

thanks,
P.S.  as per updates/visual studio service packs,  I have never been around
to see one..   I think the closest I've seen to an update was when they
released VS2003 and offered current VS2002 owners a free upgrade.

It seems there is indeed a roadmap for service packs.  Its amazing, VS.NET
2003 gets SP1 3 years after it released, but VS 2005 will get it about 6
months or so after released.  I've never had a problem with 2003, I would
consider it a bona-fide release.  I consider 2005 to be a beta 3 release.
For all the hype and anticipation that 2005 created (both abroad and within
me), I am most dissappointed because the things I want to do with it produce
the only kernel dumps on my WinXP Pro (SP2) box that I've ever seen when
using WinXP (been using for 4 years).  And for that, I'm only using WinForms
and doing what I do everyday on 2003 without problems.  Haven't used ASP.NET
yet (which incidentally, is what I do for a living but I tend to do other
types of projects at home).

Anyway, overall, I (not to contradict myself) like the changes in 2.0 and
2005 IDE is generally more productive when it works (avoid the WinForms
designer and do it by hand).  For many people, mostly MVP's and MS employees
and other MS book author types, everything works fine.  So perhaps its just
our particular setups that are causing the problem.  Of course, there is
absolutely no other piece of software (installed 29gigs for over 14 months)
and in the past 4 years has ever caused my WinXP to crash.  Not even a bad
Canon driver caused a crash, just annoyance.  From now on, my 2005
development will be contained within a VMWare guest.  That way my main dev
box won't be effected.  I take it very personally when it starts undermining
my system stability and causes me to be paranoid about whether things will
work or whether other unknown problems will ocurr.


Thanks,
Shawn

DID NOT! That thing was not ready for prime time at all. Bugs bugs bugs all
over the place. I remember writing graphics applications and having to
reboot constantly. The same set of bugs had been fixed long long ago in
early versions of VS. I'm no fan of borland's turbo C++.

Wasn't that the compiler that used pascal underneath c++? (can't remember
which one did that but i'm pretty sure it was the culprit)

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Speedwise my same app use to run twice as fast when compiled with Borland's
over being compiled with MSC5.0,  I have only done ddk development using MSC
so I have nothing to compare,  I have never thought of Microsoft having
great products,  just great marketing, as they are now once again doing with
FREE express versions,  Trust Microsoft they know how to knock out the
competition...  even look at msword,  was the biggest piece of junk back in
the days that WordPerfect was king.  now its all everyone hears about...
Or OS2,  far superior to Stable XP which confuses easily and dies,
Microsoft should spend more time building better more stable products
instead of spending it trying to steal apple's ipod patent.   anyway I
realise this is not the newsgroup for this topic so please forgive me,  I
will refrain in future..

thanks

Get your facts straight. MS owns the patent, not apple.

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yes,  swift thinking on Gates part,  I don't think gates has ever owned
anything that wasn't there before..  Look at SQL Server orginally SYSBASE,
orginally from UofWaterloo ( Canada )

anyway not the forum for this...

"lets just agree to disagree!!

thanks for the enlightenment..

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:09:40 -0500, "Rob Dob"
<robdob20012***@yahoo.com> wrote:

This could be a large part of your problem. The SqlDataAdapter doesn't
belong in the toolbox for a web form.

If you want to design table adapters, add a strongly typed DataSet to
the project and work with the typed DataSet designer. This designer is
the square hole for your square peg.

That's funny, Rob. I've been using it since beta 1, which *was* bug-ridden.
I am now using the RTM (since it was released a couple of months ago), in
which I've found no bugs whatsover, just waiting for the Team System final
version to come out. Works a heck of a lot better than VS.Net 2003, does a
lot more, and I wouldn't go back for love or money. I still have to from
time to time, to work on "legacy" 1.1 apps. I've written half a dozen
different applications with it, one of which is already in production and
working perfectly for about a month now. It's a Windows service that uses
the new FtpWebRequest and FtpWebResponse, the new HttpWebRequest and
HttpWebResponse, the new XSL and XML classes, and has a web-based
log-viewing application associated with it. It runs continuously, with 2
different threads performing operations at 5-minute and 1-hour intervals, 24
hours a day. It uses the System.Net.SmtpClient class to send email reports
out at regular intervals, and the new Configuration classes to leverage the
App.Config for settings and email addresses.

One of the other apps I wrote, which was last built using the beta 2
release, was a Managed Direct3D terrain and environment simulator for small
aircraft, which uses a SQL Server database, various custom classes for
storing and parsing Geographical data on the fly, and Indigo services to
obtain real-time flight and GPS data. It was a prototype demonstrated at the
NASA SATS demo in Danville, Virginia in May, and has been touring the
country at various air shows for the past 5 or so months. I haven't even had
to touch it since May.

I guess I'm just lucky.

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Kevin:
I don't think it's as bad as Rob says for most people, and Idon't think it's
as good as what you say in a lot of cases.  I get errors reported @ compile
time that won't go away until I shut down and reopen vs.net.

System.Net.Mail is great and all, but some of the key classes are read-only,
making them very...inconvinient.  I believe it's MailAddress....  That's
besides the point anyways, as the IDE, the language and the framework
features are separate thing. I think it's clear Rob's having problems with
the IDE.  Honestly, I can't say that the VS.Net 2005 IDE has brought a lot
to the table (Team System is different) other than the ability to host the
other 2 (language and framework).  Refactoring and all that is nice, but
it's been something I've supplemented with addons a long time ago...

Karl

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Hi Karl,

There's a lot more to the IDE than meets the eye at first. I've been using
it for quite a few months, and I'm continuing to discover cool things about
it. For example, the XSL editor is extremely cool. You can actually step
through an XSL file, perform watches, etc., to debug it. This is a very big
thing, even though a lot of people don't realize it quite yet, kind of like
the reason that XHTML is very powerful, but underappreciated. But over the
next few years, XML is going to be discovered by a lot of people who haven't
yet realized its true potential. The XSD tools are also very cool. The
syntax checking and Intellisense for XML is really nice. It uses DTDs to
perform syntax checks on the fly. The JavaScript debugging tools are also
improved. Code Snippets are very cool. The Document Outline feature is very
helpful. Refactoring is excellent, and you don't need to use any third-party
add-ons to get it. The MSBuild engine is very powerful.

And like I said, I'm not sure I've scratched much more than the surface. A
lot of the stuff is not obvious. There are lots of small improvements in
general, rather than the big headlines new features.

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Hi,

guess all I can say here is:,  I sure didn't have to push so hard...

"If you push something hard enough, it will fall over"
.. - Fudd's First Law of Opposition

Hey, maybe I spent so many years making chicken salad out of chicken s**t
that when I got my hands on some good tools I became a chicken salad
super-chef. But I can make chicken salad with my eyes closed using this
stuff, and it doesn't have that nasty aftertaste!

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I aspire one day to also becoming a "chicken salad super chef",  I was only
trying to state that what works for one person doesn't need work for the
other..

Rob,

    You are not the only one that has issues.  However, you can go to the
Product Feedback center and add weight to shared issues, or register new
issues of your own.  Check out:

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/default.aspx

    Hope this helps.


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..... with so few webHosts supporting 2.0, I wish to thank Rob for posting here,
it has made my decision to stay with 03 easier.

I've grown tired of bio hacks, reg hacks and similar just to make IDE's work as
they should.

I really don't have the energy or time to fuss with giving MS feedback in their
blog, it's not my responsibility.

Perhaps if they offered a $10K prize for each valid bug, then groups of
youngsters could earn some pocket change...

MS can have my many $'s after the SP is released, and I hear posts like, "Hot
Darn, VS SP1x is Great!"

Just my "2 cents"

..... I'm listening.... chirp, squeek (porch swing needs grease), chirp.....

JeffP....


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re:
You mean the hosters listed here are not enough for you ?

http://www.asp.net/Hosters/



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Rob Dob wrote:
<snip>

Maybe you should use the free Express versions - I've not had a single
problem with either VWD and VC#! ;-)

Hi,

thanks, I tried that but they do not support the addition of the
SQLDataAdapter to the toolbar via "Choose Items",  but thank you anyway..

I'm having NUMEROUS problems with VWD.  One size, as usual, does not fit
all.

Randall Arnold

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To each their own.  I've using VWD for about two months now.  With the
exception of a few issues, I haven't had any major problems with it.  Note
that I'm a former anti-VS programmer who would primarily use a text editor
to develop .NET web apps with.

Thus, my suggestion to you would be to move on to a text editor, or keep
trying VWD and see if you get the kinks worked out.  It's your choice, but
ranting and raving about the problems will not make any more productive and
it certainly won't move Microsoft to fix the "bugs".
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What does MS Support say about your problems?

Don't forget that your purchase includes free support incidents and perhaps
even a money-back guarantee.


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I challenge the complainers to write something better.  Can't?  Then quit
crying about something that has been released for a month.  If you have been
doing this for more than 2 weeks then you should know Microsoft well enough
to wait for the first service pack before even thinking about switching.

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carion1 wrote:

    That's the most stupid analogy I've heard in years. "You have an
opinion? Oh, do it better!". yeah right.

    So you never ever had a problem with ANY product you bought? I think
you have, everyone has. So, at that moment, you simply thought: "Oh
well, I can't complain, I can't do it better alone, myself" ? I bet you
didn't. "Oh my brand new XBox 360 doesn't work, oh well, I can't do it
better myself, so bummer..."

    ALso, your babbling about service packs is not born in reality. VS.NET
2003 has a lot of bugs too (ever seen your custom user controls
dissapear on a winform?, or your asp.net source getting messed up
beyond repair? or suddenly your asp.net event handlers were gone? or C#
intellisense suddenly stops working in a property? etc.etc.) but never
has there been a service pack, left alone a single public patch.

    If someone pays money for a product and it doesn't behave as expected,
the customer can complain to the producer of the product that it
doesn't behave as expected and the producer has to fix it. That's
simple stuff a 6 year old child even understands.

    I'm not agreeing with  the statement 'vs.net 2005 is a load of crap',
but I simply also refuse to agree with garbage statements like yours
either. If something doesn't work, it has to be fixed.

    I filed a couple of bugs for vs.net 2005 since its RTM release. One
was a misery with splitter bars and scroll bars which lock up when you
close VS.NET 2005 when the solution has a code editor splitter
open/tabgroups. It was closed yesterday as 'won't fix' because MS
thinks it's too much work to fix it.

    I was simply stunned. It takes me a couple of minutes to get it back
into gear and it's clearly a bug. Now you can come to me and tell me I
should do better or else shut up, but I hope you'll see how rediculus
that will be.

        FB

Man, it's getting hot in here...

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I think VS2005 is a great tool and I applaud MS for listening to
developers and adding much needed features.

HOWEVER...

Who asked for some of the rediculous changes to Asp.net.  For example:

A web app is not a project ?
Deploy source code to production and have it compiled on the fly ? Why
not deploy your source with WinForms too (sarcasm) ?
Little control over the generated assemblies, (name, version, etc)?
Randomly named assemblies per page, app_code, etc ?
Can't add a project reference to a web app?
Etc, etc, etc.

I think they had some great ideas, but the implementation fell short.

John Powell

On 2 Dec 2005 07:11:48 -0800, "j***@johnwpowell.com"
<j***@johnwpowell.com> wrote:

Show quoteHide quoteMost of the issues you list here can be addressed with the web
deployment project.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/reference/infrastructure/wdp/default.aspx

Even without the WDP, you don't have to upload any source code to the
server - you can precompile the entire application, which is a step
further than 1.x days.

You can add a project reference to a web app. but before that, you have to
add the project to the current solution.

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IMHO that is a loss of functionality.  I should be able to reference
the assembly as I could in 2003.  There is nothing fundamentally
different about a web assembly and a class library assembly and I don't
like the new approach to web projects.

Hi john,
You are right for the new approach of Web projects, and the good news is
that Microsoft is about to change that in the next weeks...
A preview of an alternative project model witch provides the same conceptual
web project semantics as VS 2003 web projects is available
Look at the Scott Guthrie blog :
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2005/12/16/433374.aspx

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YOU know Microsoft's track record with new products.  YOU chose to adopt the
product early.  YOU are now complaining because it has some issues.  The
common thing here seems to be YOU.  You know the stove is hot.  If you put
your hand on the stove, who' fault is it?

Sure we would all love to see more stable products at release from MS but
that hasn't been their track record.  Adapt and move forward.

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carion1 wrote:

    I'm not complaining, I just stated it has some bugs. I don't see any
logic in not doing that.

    So your reasoning now switched from 'don't complain if you can't do it
better' to 'don't complain because it's brand new' ? What if I have to
do development on .NET 2.0 and can't wait for Q2 2006 before the
service pack is here? Ever thought of that? What if the service pack
gets delayed till doomsday, like the ever promised service pack for
vs.net 2003?

    Who says I'm not adapting? I just can't stand smart-a$$es who tell the
world everybody should shut up because they can't do it better
themselves, because those smarts don't realize that stating it has some
bugs isn't the same as shouting "IT'S CRAP!!!111"

    If I type text into a textbox/editor, I just want the textbox/editor
to accept the characters I type. If it then hangsup the program, the
editor is apparently flawed in a way for example Notepad isn't. Silly
analogy, I know, but it servers the point: accepting text into an
editor is a very silly dumb task and the core purpose of an editor.
ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE, the typed in text should be accepted. So if it
then hangs/crashes, is it stupid to say "It has a bug" ? I don't think
so. It simply states: it has a bug, so be aware of it.

    I hope you're not part of the group of programmers who's still in that
corner desperately waiting for the vs.net 2003 service pack so they can
start programming with vs.net 2003. :)

    I also never said everything should be bugfree. That's impossible to
achieve. So with that FACT the vendor has to live with and also has to
ADAPT -> develop a stategy so customers aren't hurt by the bugs which
are inevitably there.

    Up till now Microsoft has done a terribly job in that department, when
it comes to visual studio.net, the application millions of developers
have to work with 8-10 hours A DAY.

    They've promissed to improve their act, and Soma personally promissed
me they will do so, so I hope he'll uphold his promisse. We'll see in
about 6 months time.

    For the IDE hang bug, a KB is released soon. However not a public fix.
This is the stuff I'm talking about: it's a work-losing critical bug,
but the fix won't be made publically available and to find it you've to
wade through the terrible KB search engine. Not what I call 'helping
customers'.

    So before you start arguing again people should shut up or do it
better themselves, also look at the other side: Microsoft and tell them
they should get their act together as well, because enough is enough.

        FB

Just more disingenuous commentary from you.  Do you have anything to offer
other than spiteful, naive remarks?

Randall Arnold

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I have run into a lot of issues as well. However, I'll be submitting bug
reports to MS so that they can fix it instead of complaining on the
newsgroups. I think if we all adopted this strategy, then it would result in
more good than harm.

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Alvin Bruney - ASP.NET MVP wrote:
That is a good strategy. If I see someone post something here that I can
confirm is a bug, I'll enter a bug on it and pursue it, but almost every
"bug" post I see is in fact not a bug.  :)

Your comments are disingenuous.  One need not be a tool developer to point
out flaws in a tool.  We developers have every right to point out problems
with MS products.

Randall Arnold

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Rob Dob wrote:

Show quoteHide quote    While I found some bugs in it which one actually locked up the IDE, it
is overall not that buggy. Slow, ok, but not buggy.

    What I know is that if you had Beta2 on your system prior to
installing vs.net 2005 rtm and you didn't gothrough all the uninstall
crap (simply uninstalling beta2 isn't enough), you will experience
crashes and problems.

    So my question to you is: did you have beta2 installed on that same
machine and did you go through the uninstall misery of beta2 BEFORE
installing vs.net rtm?

        FB

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