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asp.net 20 menu control useless ? [server callback, no menuitem click]Dear fellow software engineers,
Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu controls? Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated control ? Tx for answers.. Rick Rickie,
I'm not particularly enamored of it myself, but I wouldn't say it is "useless". It all depends on what you expect it to be able to do. If you look on the Control Gallery at ASP.NET there are 52 of them you can choose from, some are free: http://www.asp.net/ControlGallery/default.aspx?Category=32&tabindex=6 Peter -- Show quoteHide quoteCo-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal: http://www.eggheadcafe.com UnBlog: http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com "Rickie" wrote: > Dear fellow software engineers, > > Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? > How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu > controls? > Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on > the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making > menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its > certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or > javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even > possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated > control ? > > Tx for answers.. > > Rick > > > Hey Rick,
If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's freebie, the answer is 'certainly'. I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks: http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx Ken Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET] Show quoteHide quote "Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> wrote in message news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... > Dear fellow software engineers, > > Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? > How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu > controls? > Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on > the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making > menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its > certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or > javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even > possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated > control ? > > Tx for answers.. > > Rick > > Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]"
<BANSPAMkjopc@newsgroups.nospam>: >Hey Rick, Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That> >If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's >freebie, the answer is 'certainly'. > >I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX >whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks: > >http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx > >Ken >Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET] was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo their are much better ways for make client site navigation without postbacks. Rick Show quoteHide quote > >"Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> wrote in message >news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... >> Dear fellow software engineers, >> >> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? >> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu >> controls? >> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on >> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making >> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its >> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or >> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even >> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated >> control ? >> >> Tx for answers.. >> >> Rick >> >> > hi Rick, if your menu structure is so deep and you need to load on demand,
then maybe what you really want to use is a treeview. A dropdown menu that loads on demand for every node i mouseover, is not all that pretty and usable. Pretty irritating actually, atleast from a users view point. Ofcourse this is my humble opinion :-) That said, i have still yet to see a thirdparty menu component that has a serverside API as rich as the standard navigation menu provided in asp.net 2.0 If you really want to extend then you might want to try going the adapter route or overriding the original rendering, and i'll admit its not a walk in the park, however it is doable. Regards, Alessandro Zifiglio Show quoteHide quote "Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:m5h4a2d09jfls8hddvr1or2p4q5t1dfcau@4ax.com... > Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" > <BANSPAMkjopc@newsgroups.nospam>: > >>Hey Rick, >> >>If your question is whether there are better menu controls than >>Microsoft's >>freebie, the answer is 'certainly'. >> >>I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX >>whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks: >> >>http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx >> >>Ken >>Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET] > > > Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That > was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone > else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of > which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu > has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo > their are much better ways for make client site navigation without > postbacks. > > > Rick > > > >> >>"Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> wrote in message >>news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... >>> Dear fellow software engineers, >>> >>> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? >>> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu >>> controls? >>> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on >>> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making >>> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its >>> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or >>> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even >>> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated >>> control ? >>> >>> Tx for answers.. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >> > Now that your rant is over, can we move right along? :P
Rickie wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" > <BANSPAMkjopc@newsgroups.nospam>: > >> Hey Rick, >> >> If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's >> freebie, the answer is 'certainly'. >> >> I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX >> whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks: >> >> http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx >> >> Ken >> Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET] > > > Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That > was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone > else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of > which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu > has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo > their are much better ways for make client site navigation without > postbacks. > > > Rick > > > >> "Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... >>> Dear fellow software engineers, >>> >>> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? >>> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu >>> controls? >>> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on >>> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making >>> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its >>> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or >>> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even >>> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated >>> control ? >>> >>> Tx for answers.. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> > Please do, I doubt you understand the challenge or reason for it.
Regards, Rick Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:33:18 +0100 schreef Ray Booysen <rj_booysen***@rjb.za.net>: Show quoteHide quote >Now that your rant is over, can we move right along? :P > >Rickie wrote: >> Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" >> <BANSPAMkjopc@newsgroups.nospam>: >> >>> Hey Rick, >>> >>> If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's >>> freebie, the answer is 'certainly'. >>> >>> I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX >>> whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks: >>> >>> http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx >>> >>> Ken >>> Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET] >> >> >> Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That >> was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone >> else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of >> which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu >> has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo >> their are much better ways for make client site navigation without >> postbacks. >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >>> "Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> wrote in message >>> news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... >>>> Dear fellow software engineers, >>>> >>>> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? >>>> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu >>>> controls? >>>> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on >>>> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making >>>> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its >>>> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or >>>> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even >>>> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated >>>> control ? >>>> >>>> Tx for answers.. >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >> So Rickie,
I think you've made your subjective point, e.g. "The Standard ASP.NET 2.0 Menu Control is Useless". So what are you gonna do now? Peter -- Show quoteHide quoteCo-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal: http://www.eggheadcafe.com UnBlog: http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com "Rickie" wrote: > Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]" > <BANSPAMkjopc@newsgroups.nospam>: > > >Hey Rick, > > > >If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's > >freebie, the answer is 'certainly'. > > > >I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX > >whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks: > > > >http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx > > > >Ken > >Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET] > > > Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That > was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone > else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of > which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu > has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo > their are much better ways for make client site navigation without > postbacks. > > > Rick > > > > > > >"Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> wrote in message > >news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... > >> Dear fellow software engineers, > >> > >> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? > >> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu > >> controls? > >> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on > >> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making > >> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its > >> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or > >> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even > >> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated > >> control ? > >> > >> Tx for answers.. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> > > > > The menu can call any http or js function
Show quoteHide quote "Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> schreef in bericht news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... > Dear fellow software engineers, > > Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? > How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu > controls? > Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on > the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making > menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its > certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or > javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even > possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated > control ? > > Tx for answers.. > > Rick > > Edwin,
Tx for your response. Still I am curious why the sophisticated people of microsoft have designed a rich component like the menu which is *not* clientsite. Do you think they really make components which are not usable in itself but only with clientsite script ? And then another point. How difficult or easy would it be to call http or js from a menuitem handler ? Ricky Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:08 +0200 schreef "Edwin Knoppert" <n***@hellobasic.com>: Show quoteHide quote >The menu can call any http or js function > >"Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> schreef in bericht >news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... >> Dear fellow software engineers, >> >> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? >> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu >> controls? >> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on >> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making >> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its >> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or >> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even >> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated >> control ? >> >> Tx for answers.. >> >> Rick >> >> > ?? All the asp controls are server-side and post back to the server.
Hence: asp:mycontrol runat=server id=fubar Rickie wrote: Show quoteHide quote > Edwin, > > Tx for your response. Still I am curious why the sophisticated people > of microsoft have designed a rich component like the menu which > is *not* clientsite. Do you think they really make components which > are not usable in itself but only with clientsite script ? > > And then another point. How difficult or easy would it be to call http > or js from a menuitem handler ? > > Ricky > > > > Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:08 +0200 schreef "Edwin Knoppert" > <n***@hellobasic.com>: > > >The menu can call any http or js function > > > >"Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> schreef in bericht > >news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... > >> Dear fellow software engineers, > >> > >> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? > >> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu > >> controls? > >> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on > >> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making > >> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its > >> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or > >> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even > >> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated > >> control ? > >> > >> Tx for answers.. > >> > >> Rick > >> > >> > > Here is an example:
http://www.hellobasic.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?board=dotnet;action=display;num=1152258978 In short, simply set (each) navigateURL to javascript:myjsfunction.... Show quoteHide quote "Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> schreef in bericht news:bnhaa2t7p5hrrrk2jj2raqikop7ctk23uc@4ax.com... > Edwin, > > Tx for your response. Still I am curious why the sophisticated people > of microsoft have designed a rich component like the menu which > is *not* clientsite. Do you think they really make components which > are not usable in itself but only with clientsite script ? > > And then another point. How difficult or easy would it be to call http > or js from a menuitem handler ? > > Ricky > > > > Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:08 +0200 schreef "Edwin Knoppert" > <n***@hellobasic.com>: > >>The menu can call any http or js function >> >>"Rickie" <touchw***@msn.com> schreef in bericht >>news:hs63a2pu2ttp4sbriiq6b6o3b0ulvccbtl@4ax.com... >>> Dear fellow software engineers, >>> >>> Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ? >>> How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu >>> controls? >>> Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on >>> the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making >>> menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its >>> certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or >>> javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even >>> possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated >>> control ? >>> >>> Tx for answers.. >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >> > 
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